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I do not resent Spark by any means, rather I have suggested it from time to time to various members. Yes with discounts & schemes it has become a tempting package.

True Maruti/Hyundai are the small car champs & till now no other company has even threatened/challenged them.

Even I would like Maruti to improve further in terms of Quality, etc. but this move would erode it of its core strength- cost effectiveness/FE.

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I dont agree that Maruti does buniess to provide cost effectiveness to its customers. Thats what it claimed to be all these years.

How can it be cost effectiveness when we neither get "actual" discounts on its products nor their products are so cheap.

Their strategy has always been to woo customers in the name of discounts to their products which are rotten/dying.

The service has never been so cheap as what they claim to be.

FE has been good in their cars but that is not exciting anymore as their standards have been beaten by the other players as well.

Maruti has just been ripping the innocent middle class money from this country, thanks to govt. policies that opened up our economy and the competition has made them feel the heat, atleast now.

 
harryccc2008-12-04 18:20:56

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Maruti has been leading the sales charts/selling well & this is a testament to its success/consumer adoption, no one can dispute this fact. An average/typical Indian buyer is very demanding & weighs all pros/cons before investing money.

Maruti does dole out discounts from time to time, but remember hugely discounted models are those which do not sell well.

I do not agree that their products are rotten/dying/cheap, rather they are contemporary/competitive & often lead the rolls.

Maruti is the best in service & various private surveys have always recorded it amongst the top.

Which of Maruti's successful products have been beaten by competitors?

Maruti A-Star has set a new benchmark in FE, for others to emulate if they can!

Competition is for all & not only for Maruti, its an open market & only the best/fittest will survive & Maruti has been doing well.

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1.3 DIESEL
1.3 SD 1.3 SDE 1.3 SDX
448678 468681 488686

MARUTI SWIFT LDI (BHARAT STAGE III) 477095.34 477095.34

MARUTI SWIFT VDI (BHARAT STAGE III WITH ABS) 530949.67 530949.67

MARUTI SWIFT VDI (BHARAT STAGE III) 507735.44 507735.44

MARUTI SWIFT LXI (BHARAT STAGE III) 411788.98 411788.98

MARUTI SWIFT ZXI (BHARAT STAGE III WITH ABS) 525722.28 525722.28

MARUTI SWIFT VXI (BHARAT STAGE III WITH ABS) 462682.02 462682.02

MARUTI SWIFT VXI (BHARAT STAGE III) 443006.70 443006.70

the first table shows the price list (Ex-showroom in Bangalore) of Fiat MJD and second table show the price list of Maruti Swift Diesel

If you look at the lowest variant in both, Swift LDi is 30K more than Fiat MJD SD, where in Fiat has little more features than Swift. check it for yourself

This is apart from the difference in build quality of Fiat and Maruti, i think its obvious! Waiting period after paying a premium is a different story for which there are so many threads opened by the innocent customers.

 

i can provide a similar comparison for Maruti Swift Petrol, Getz Petrol and Chevrolet UVA, Fiat Palio Stile or any other model of Maruti infact except for some dead guys like Wagon R or Estilo etc.
harryccc2008-12-05 10:33:48

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to take you a little back in history, it was the time when Maruti Esteem was launched and considered to be in the luxury segment. A little later OPel Corsa and Daewoo Cielo were launched. The price ppl paid for Esteem was too high and very less features, corsa and cielo had A/C, power steering, power windows in their base models. again i think i dont have to mention the story of Esteem. Maruti's cheap tactics to cheat the ppl, had been so strong that drove away these companies from our country. harryccc2008-12-05 10:31:59

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hey harrycc maruti isnt threatening or blackmailing people to buy their cars...people themselves end up buying maruti because their cars are maintainance free,reliable and fuel efficientn and give a peace of mind when compared to others..maruti's every car is class leading in fuel effeiciency except for sx4 and grand vitara.

hey harry why dont u compare the prices of sx4 and others in the segment and u'll be soon contradicting ur own words !!!

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@Harry, You are comparing wrong cars, Palio was a great debacle, car never sold, Fiat has reduced its price to push sales, still it is unable to find customers. Obviously any company would like to make profits & had Palio been a success, its sticker price would have been higher than the Swift! Bottomline is that with whatever the sticker price/build quality/features/blah-blah, consumers are making a beeline for the Swift. This shows that Maruti cars are well recieved at their present price.

Chevy. UVA/Getz are no where in the reckoning, Swift polished them off, you are again comparing wrong products. Getz was always overpriced too.

 

See market matures with time, during the time when Esteem was launched, it was the sole luxury car & I had a pleasure of owning the car, it was fantastic for the time. Further I owned Cielo/Astra & must admit that experience was sour with the cars. Corsa again was a great failure, its no point comparing it with Esteem. Instead of running away, companies should have stood & faught, but they did not have the Ammo.

Esteem was discontinued lately only & people were still buying it, this goes on to prove the quality of product.

All in all, the comparos you made were not worthwhile as none of the mentioned cars ever stood ground in front of Maruti products.

 

@Mehul, I completely agree with you.

 

Harry, I would advise you to widen your horizon of thoughts, Maruti is not so bad as you precieve.
speed2008-12-05 11:41:51

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maruti esteem was a trouble free car when you compare it with opel astra/daewoo cielo..people owning these cars dont even manage to get its spare in any market...look at the sx4...excellent car,huge equipment list for its segment,excellent looks and above all excellent pricing...swift is the best selling hatch in india and thats because its the best in terms of reliability,vfm and many other aspects !!!

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Speed - Palio is a debacle! am not surprised to hear this from a maruti lover!!! ask any car enthusiast and talk about the difference in build quality of Palio and Swift. you know it yourself but you just dont want to give up!

Getz is overpriced.... Getz is a lot better car than Swift, given the cramping space in Swift and again the build quality of Getz, infact am a proud owner of Getz. If you are referring to Getz crdi being overpriced, it deserved the price for that the engine it had!

so you are saying Opel and Daewoo deserved to be out of the market, anyone knows cars can clearly say Opel Corsa is a very nice car, given its ride quality, features it had...

Talking about the markets, tell me one other market in the world where Suzuki is the champ! take china our nearest economic competitor its not even in the list of top10.

come on speed, try to look beyond to what maruti is making you to look at!

 

the fact is Maruti is cheating its customers with service network and customer satisfaction but their products are too inferior to any other!

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Harry, I owned a Palio myself & know the car perfectly. I was referring to its market/sales debacle, whatever the reason.

Imo, build quality is not all to be looked in a car, it has to be a complete package. Palio never sold inspite of its superior build quality, its a cut throat market & only competitive products can survive.

Try to look beyond your obsession, even I own certain cars, but freely critisize them too where I feel right. Getz stood nowhere near the Swift, again missing of a complete package made it suffer. You are right Getz diesel deserved the price it has & the market debacle too!

Evey car in the market today is a good car, but you are not understanding the point, sales are the best indicator, one cannot ignore this fact. Market is like furnace through which coal/car has to pass to be successful/diamond.

I respect the credentials of our own market & don't consider it inferior to any other market. So, what Suzuki doesn't do well any where else, over here in our country it rules.

There were countless cars launched in India which were successful/award winning abroad but flunked bigtime in India, as they were unsuitable for our market in some way or the other. Cars for India have to be India centric & Suzuki delivers what Indian wants.

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Who says Maruti services are cheap??? Though the spare is easily available but Auth. service centres rob  the customers.

It depends on the service station. We have three authorised service station in our city. I've been to two, both charge different prices for parts. For some expensive parts get them from some genuine spare parts dealer for less price.

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Speed - Palio is a debacle! am not surprised to hear this from a maruti lover!!! ask any car enthusiast and talk about the difference in build quality of Palio and Swift. you know it yourself but you just dont want to give up!

Getz is overpriced.... Getz is a lot better car than Swift' date=' given the cramping space in Swift and again the build quality of Getz, infact am a proud owner of Getz. If you are referring to Getz crdi being overpriced, it deserved the price for that the engine it had!

so you are saying Opel and Daewoo deserved to be out of the market, anyone knows cars can clearly say Opel Corsa is a very nice car, given its ride quality, features it had...

Talking about the markets, tell me one other market in the world where Suzuki is the champ! take china our nearest economic competitor its not even in the list of top10.

come on speed, try to look beyond to what maruti is making you to look at!

 

the fact is Maruti is cheating its customers with service network and customer satisfaction but their products are too inferior to any other!
[/quote'] haha now i found another MS hater..when i joined the forum i was the only MS hater but later i found many..

Well i agree with you and speed says Suzuki delivers what indian deserves so yes Indian deserves cheap quality products because they welcome them, just for instance see almost every indian is fed up of chinese products although buys them coz they are cheap but see elsewhere in the world and see how chinese products are and you will be proud of their quality but what india gets all is cheap coz india welcomes those cheap products and China sends them, its simple..

I have been to many countries and nowhere i found the good market for Suzuki, why because people there demands quality products..In Australia Suzuki had market but on my whole tour i saw lakhs of getz while only 10-15 Swifts i found there..In Singapore,malaysia too though getz where not that much but still there were no swifts too...Recently i went to South Africa and for many days when i found no Suzukis then i thought that Suzuki might not have entered in this country but then i found some showrooms and then i thought that Suzuki is in this country but in the tour of 15 days i saw 1 very old rattling Gypsy and 1 white Swift, then i thought that nobody buys Suzuki in this country and this was shame for Suzuki as there were so many good cars there but no market for Suzuki...and there were so many Getz,etc...well i know that Indians are very intelligent but then if anyone says that Getz is superhit almost in all developed big countries and Swift is superhit only in countries like India, and after this also if Swift is overall a better product then sorry but i cant say anything about that person...And i still standby my statement that in India sales are not any parameter to evaluate the product and example is crap wagonR,etc suzuki products..

Well only for service you cant buy cheap products which rattles like no other car..
bluesapphire2008-12-06 05:48:35

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getz actually feels like premium hatch atleast while Swift is not coz according to me any car in premium segment must have good space,comfort and quality rather than features...And if space, quality and features are there in one car than its good but the 1st two should be in priority...People but big expensive cars not only for features but for quality first...

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my first car was an 800 and I have an alto vx 1.1 as well

maruti suzuki first entered this country in partnership with the gandhi govt and quickly realised how much money they could make from a starved socialist society. in my opinion, it is this company that is single handedly responsible for high prices and protectionist policies that this market suffers from. let's not forget that with a 15 year head start, suzuki have fully depreciated plants in this country and cost advantages that no other manufacturer can claim - thanks to a corrupt govt.

the figures speak for themselves - suzuki sells 20% of all global produce in India alone - which account for 60% of all global profit. in effect, suzuki make 3 times the profit on every Indian sale as compared to any other market.

are they thieves? absolutely. do they sell. absolutely. why do they sell? first mover advantage, ubiquitious sales and service, and many decades of building a false brand security. Indians are also obsessed with perceived value and not actual value - so if a car looks good, they think it gives them 'status' (hence the bizarre desire to buy cars with boots as status symbols, the higher sales of the Swift with an old Esteem engine - sold only in this market - over the Getz, and also why companies like Honda and Maruti sell us sports variants with no engine mods whatsoever, but lots of pretentious styling).

so yes, we are an immature market. in fairness to speed and other forum members tho, Maruti does what all other manufacturers in this county do - cheat customers whenever and however they can.

they're all the same.

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To put it on record, Im no die hard Maruti fan, but neither am I a Hyundai/Honda/etc. fan. But I simply respect the credentials of our market & what is successful here is good/needed for this market. Im not carried away by Western standards, English ruled us for ages & some Indians still consider them superior, but happily/proudly I don't.

Suzuki is growing as a company & in coming times everyone would see their success worldwide. They gave Indians what they wanted, made people mobile, whatever the Govt. policies, Suzuki is no diff. from others in fleecing consumers. Suzuki has products in the market & is not forcing consumers to buy, but still their are many takers, this is not without a reason & whatever the reason, it is right for our market.

 

BS, ACI rated Getz to 8/10 & Swift 9/10, how can you claim Getz is superior to Swift! Other markets be damned! I live in India & am proud of its people/minds/thinking.

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people are not fools that they buy certain cars without even test driving...swift is a superior product than getz and thats why people are flocking to buy swift..

why doesnt the getz sells ???/ because its overpriced !!!

i agree suzuki cars rattle and they get bumpy on bumps but the fact of the matter is every car has problems..

i drove my cousin's getz and its ride was excellent but handling was poor...i took a high speed turn and the car had lost its grip badly while in that aspect swift is unmatchable !!!

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we, as members of an auto forum, consist of just a tiny fraction of India's car buying public...its only us that care about handling and 0-60 and 0-100 figures..how many ordinary middle-class, family-oriented owners want to throw their cars around corners at high speed, or do a 0-60 run from a stop light?They dont give a damn about that!!

if you are a driving enthusiast , sure, buy the swift..the remaining overwhelming majority have other, better options.

Has anyone thought about that..Besides the figures that really matter, 30-80 and 40-100 figures are practically the same..

as for the getz being overpriced..thats just crap...I have a 4 year old getz and a 1.5 year old SX4..and i swear my getz feels newer than the sx4..No rattles, no squeaks, no reliability issues whatsoever.its built to last a lifetime..try saying that about a 4 yr old swift..its laughable.if such a swift does exist, the owner should consider himself supremely lucky..that is what the "overpriced" getz gives you..exceptional quality, reliability,ride, space, comfort and decent FE and performance..ask any ordinary buyer and this is usually his wishlist.

the reason why the getz doesnt sell is becoz the indian consumer base is largely uneducated about cars..just today two people posted their queries regarding cars..both confessed to having NIL knowledge about the industry...they depend on us to give unbiased advice..but as it usually happens, we impose our own requirements of an ideal car onto them and they get swayed into making an incorrect choice..

as for the ratings given by magazines, they are driving enthusiasts too, and the superior dynamics of the swift and its appeal plays a major role..

and finally, even after having extensively driven a friend's 2 yr old swift, i am so glad we bought the getz..

i dont care about other markets either, but am very disappointed about how "popular opinion" destroys otherwise very good cars in india..

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every car has its inherent weakness and strengths but swift is the best hatch in india at present rated by everyone except a few...but getz is overpriced and thats why it isnt selling..santro was correctly priced and it is an excellent seller for hyundai...swift is anyday better vfm package against getz...getz doesnt even have abs and airbags optional also...u may say people are fools that they buy maruti but if it would have been that way marutis would have stopped selling 10 years back...they survived this market for close to 25 years because their cars are good !!!

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yes they have survived coz many illetrate buys them..i have seen many people who buys marutis without even trying only because of its name and its name is not because of good products but because of service and being oldest in market...

Well people who comes in this forum to have some suggestions on buying car with no knowledge expects true opinion as even they know what cars are selling well but still they come to us but we knowledgeable person give them suggestions based on sales...Ok if many people likes MS its ok but atleast dont go on sales coz majority of our population is not matured enough and thus if our results are based on those people then its shame on our knowledge...Indian market is different because its immatured and thus i dont respect the choice of majority of people of india.... 

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the minority usually says such about the majority group...every person in this forum has their favourite car company.you in no way can say that about the majority...people have blind trust on maruti suzuki and i dont require to repeat it again and again.

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@Mehulbhp

You just called the indian consumers fools, i didnt..besides, i dont think they are newhr close to being fools, just uninformed..

and i just explained to you why the getz is priced more than the swift...try reading my post again.

and one correction, the getz does have ABS as an option..from the time it was launched.

if MS decides to invest in better manufacturing techniques to offer the same build quality, fit and finish as other cars, it will lose its cost benefit over other cars..but MS will never do it. They just dont care for all the consumers that continue to be loyal to the MS brand..they deserve better..

and ten years back, Maruti had no competitors except for hyundai that had been in the market for just 3 months...Between 1982 and 1998, they had no real competitors..that helped MS to build a huge consumer base that was loyal to them...some of those consumers continue to blindly trust MS...understandable to some extent..but things have changed a lot since 1998..the grass is greener on the other side now.

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@Viraj, we sure a tiny fraction, but are totally reflective of the larger audience.

Swift is a better overall package than Getz at that price point & not only because of handling.

& please control your emotions/words & don't call others suggestions/comments as crap, you believe in something, doesn't mean others views are crap. Try to maintain proper forum decorum.

Also please do not condemn  magazines ratings, ACI is king for us!

Consumers may not be knowing much about cars, but market dynamics are evident everywhere. Don't think/believe that you know everything ever. I consider myself to be learner still & would continue acquiring more knowledge. Further we never force/misguide anybody into a buy, these are just unbiased/true suggestions.

Have you ever considered resale into account? Getz is a disaster in resale space. You are a happy Hyundai customer, good, but there are many happy Maruti customers on this forum & outside, probably more in no. too. So, respect their views too.

 

@BS, even auto experts suggest Maruti products!

An average Indian customer, Illeterate according to you, knows one thing & that is he won't dump his money & makes choices based on market dynamics & I respect his views.

 

 
speed2008-12-07 12:53:12

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