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Skoda - Clutchplate issues

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Que Sera Sera..........

Now back to the issue, early syptoms and warning of pressure plate failure is jerky release, specially during heat inducing traffic drive, your you get clutch judder frequently or get jerky release and hard shifts, take the vehicle back to the dealer before the pressure plate gives and you get costly flywheel damage. Also keep an ear out for release bearing noise, if you depress the clutch and you get a grinding noise, thats your sign that release bearing is on its way out.

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Please don't leave the forum on this regard, this is what a debate is all about, sometimes our passion gets better of us and that happens to all of us, myself included. By all means feel free to be passionaite about your vehicle of choice and defend it, but then do broaden your spectrum a bit and try and see the other side as well.

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no update till now from skoda people or agency,

i could not read those comments on my driving by idi,but let me tell i drive fast and go through gear very quicks,but i have been driving first car maruti800,then safari and a getz also that way,no problem till now, why only skoda adi.

adi ,i think like skoda is falsely obsessed with quality u r false obsessed with skoda, if u r a 1991 born then i must tell u that i have been driving since ,u were on cycle.

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sorry rishi.... but i think you missed some of my post... here is a recap

 

1.well....... surely punjabees do fight well.....lol..... though i love skoda but if you have a problem with your car do fight it out...... if you need you can put my case too..... my clutch plate broke down at 32k.... had just completed it's 2 yrs so was out of warranty.... i was in baroda coming to delhi... as i had no time i had to pay and get repaired.... i will give you the case details if you want....

 

2. probably this will strengthen the case

 

3. wow.....wow...... you didn't read my last my message right..... i am with you not against you....... and for me even when you have all the money in the world it isn't a thing to waste...... chill and read my message again......

 

 

 well....... surely punjabees do fight well.....lol..... though i love skoda but if you have a problem with your car do fight it out...... if you need you can put my case too..... my clutch plate broke down at 32k.... had just completed it's 2 yrs so was out of warranty.... i was in baroda coming to delhi... as i had no time i had to pay and get repaired.... i will give you the case details if you want....

 

4.. sorry about the earlier messages was not thinking clearly...... i am with you not against you....

 

well.... i was with you all the while still am

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smiley9.gif Gurkha, Adi, richirich please excus eme for barging in on your personal dispute.

I think you have been carrying on a personal feud for too long. See within two days we have over 100 posts on this thread.

Adi it appears that you are being too impulsive: See the number of posts which you have had to remove, or have been hitting the post button in a hurry/anger..Let is not get involved in who did what and where, and his foreign language skills.

My humble request : Let us get back to the issue. Quite a few members have reported clutch problems on the Ocatvias, which appears to indicate that there is some quality issue. On the other had there are a huge number of Octys gong on seemingly forever. Thus to brand all Octy's rubbish is probably as bad as calling them Gods.

I am glad that there is a thread started for Skoda/VW lovers. We might as well start similar threads for the other manufacturers.

Let us address this and let not our love or hate for a brand or country of origin come in the way. We should all agree that the Japanese are the masters of quality control on the assembly line, and faced with their competition many others in their cost cutting , may have compromised too far, and their quality slipped. Also, it a rule of things that the heap of vendors keeps transforming/changing.

Let us keep these arguments out of the way and try and get back to the remedies (and causes) of the clutch failures in a saner and more temperate way.

Being older than most of you I think this is my duty and privilege. Whether you follow my advice or not is purely up to you!

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rightly put sgiitk. mechanical failures keep on happening for all the manufactures in varied nos no one company is safe on that point. lets address the problem here or else there will be no use of the forum to resolve such issues..

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Fully agreed, I have pleaded and coaxed out here to bring it back to topic. Problem here is that anytime someone gets a genuine issue with a particular brand, all the brand loyalists start their rants against the posted which not only dissuades the posted from participating but also defeats the entire purpose of this forum. Let me reiterate, do your loving in threads created for it. In threads like this, either have an objective perspective or stay out of it for good if it hurts to see your favored brand in action. As Sgiitk points out above, industry average indicate that Japanese are superior to all in terms of quality and reliability so please don't bring in Mera Bharat Mahaan type illogical arguments. If you can bring in genuine counterpoints to that fact, by all means do so.

Now lets see how RishiRich can be helped out here. If you are still following this post, word of advice. Next time take snaps of parts which have been replaced. At least that way we can try and deduce where and why the part failed initially.

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Also lets not go by the logic about number of cars running, in that sense, there are many Indicas running on road as well with daily patch repair. We have to see what the major industry stalwarts indicate. CR gives detailed report on each and every issues faced by a car during its total ownership. Anyone with basic knowledge can make out the weak points of the vehicle, don't have to be a rocket scientist. Just because your limited use vehicle runs for one doesn't mean it defies industry average against it. I have repeatedly posted verified links, testimonials as well as lawsuit reports on the fallacy of VW products.

 

Skoda India sells its vehicles at a seriously inflated price to people with the premise of quality uber alles which I feel is total cheating and hype. Unless they can prove to all with mathematical average that they are indeed a cut above the rest in terms of reliability and quality, they deserve to be scrutinized with a big lens. RishiRich feels cheated as he paid a huge sum for the Skoda expecting it to deliver its promise which it hasn't. MB and BMW have done the same, when people pay twice the price of an equivalent vehicle, they expect the Sun and the Moon. MB and BMW are gathering same number of complaints in China which is a bigger market for them than India.

 

Need I remind that a 7 series BMW was dragged by Ox on Shanghai streets by its owner frustrated with myriads of failures on his super expensive German engineered pride and joy. For the last 30 years or so, the Japanese made steady rise to come at top of the reliability and quality and what is more amazing is that they don't get complacent, they manage to stay at the top. One of the reasons is humility which the Germans totally lack. The Germans have severe superiority complex. They think because of their race and their origin, products made by them are superior to others.

 

You should go and hear what they say about the Indians and their products. OTOH, Japanese remain humble. Toyota recalled Land Cruisers for fading tail light lens, this on TLCs older than 10 years, fading is a normal UV process on the plastic used for lens and yet they did so on their own. These small facets make the difference. The Germans through their own complexes would go in denial mode even when a genuine mechanical issue is hand. My Mercedes Turbo Diesel is a rare 5 speed Euro version. Due to its inherent design weakness it came with a weak slave cylinder which would lead to premature clutch failures. After warranty was over, I had to pay $4500 twice to get the clutch fixed and finally had to take MBUSA to court to get the issue highlighted and resolved.

 

Seems there was a TSB issued in Germany about the failure but MBUSA never acknowledged or alerted their customers. For a car costing 300% more over its Japanese high quality counterparts, this was certainly inexcusable. I won the suit and they settled and compensated but it sure left a sour taste in my mouth. I have kept that car as you can see by my signature.

I would also tell RishiRich to check if the slave cylinder for the clutch is overheating, in that case, it doesn't engage the pressure plate properly which leads to premature clutch failure.
FuelRunGod2008-01-19 04:16:39

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Once a clutch's friction pads is "finished" the clutch will start to slip ie U pull away and revs of the engine goes up and the speed of the car goes up slowly. Once that happens its time for a new clutch.

The only way a clutch can damage the flywheel is if it broke Ie one of the clutch springs came out and bugerd up the whole clutch causing a piece of the clutch to rub on the flywheel.

So my suggestion is that to get a detailed report from the garage that has his car, remeber that it must be signed by the garage. Ask them if it will be ok for you to get someone from the outside to come and inspect the vehicle at their premises. If u cant get hold of someone at the another garage go to a well known clutch and break specialist and ask him to come and inspect the vehicle. It might cost you a few bucks to get the guy there but if you are sure that you are not to blame it will be money well spent.

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Clutch on my skoda octi lasted me 120,000 kms in Mumbai driving conditions. Replacement cost was quite steep though at Rs.50,000 for the whole thing - clutch plate, pressure plate and flywheel.

 

Btw this months Autocar mentions the cost of Skoda diesel clutchplate at Rs.20,000/- only in their spare part comparison, which is not true.

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We have replaced clutch plate, pressure plate, bearing and flywheel at my garage for Rs 28,000 including labour. Jobs done at independent garages come to 50-60% of cost that dealers charge using same parts.

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This is typical. Only make sure that the independent knows what they are doing. The workshop manuals are normally not available, as they are considered state secrets by the manufacturers. Independents can normally genuine / OE spares without too much fuss. Only remember if things go wrong then you may be on your own.

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We have replaced clutch plate' date=' pressure plate, bearing and flywheel at my garage for Rs 28,000 including labour. Jobs done at independent garages come to 50-60% of cost that dealers charge using same parts.

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I see you are in auto repairs. So are these trade prices or public prices. Also, who did the replacement?

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just got a reply .... its stated below

Dear Mr.Rajwant Singh,

 

As regards your concern, we are sorry to hear about the problems with your

car. We have taken up your concern with our

dealership and have received the detailed report of the vehicle along with the

photographs of the worn out components (photographs attached for your

reference) We have analyzed the report, Nevertheless, we would like to point you that the components which had failed is totally subject to the

usage and not due to any manufacturing defect and it completely depends on the

end user.

 

Kindly be informed on 6/2/06 we have

considered clutch in goodwill warranty at 13506 km, please understand that the

clutch is a wear and tear component and damage to the clutch is due to

over-riding of the clutch. We are very sorry to say that we will not be able to

assist you further in this regard.

 

We understand that the events described can

affect your trust in our SKODA trademark and we would like to assure you that

we are interested in satisfaction of each customer of ours. We request you to

coordinate with our dealership for getting the needful done accordingly.

 

We would like to apologize

for any inconvenience that has been caused

I have asked them for an detailed explainatin or else a hard copy letter stating

  1. cause of such a failure
  2. parts damaged
  3. technically summary of the event.
  4. reason stated by skoda to refuse any assistance to customer in this regard.
any other suggetions

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Kindly be informed on 6/2/06 we have

considered clutch in goodwill warranty at 13506 km' date=' please understand that the

clutch is a wear and tear component and damage to the clutch is due to

over-riding of the clutch. We are very sorry to say that we will not be able to

assist you further in this regard.

[/quote']

In other words they cannot ever misadjust / misalign the clutch? Must be having Gods as mechanics.

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