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  1. I don't think there is a need for Name chage to bring out a better product. What bajaj need to do is to bring out the twin cylinder 30+bhp off-roader that they showcased in an earlier expo, they can bring out two models with that engine. Its been long since I've seen a good offroader (or say a distinct looker) ever since Bajaj in the early 90s brough out theirs...

  2. ya it does . it becomes a 2008 model

    it does become a 2008 model, at the same time there is a factory cutoff number for the Chasis for the concerned year.


    i.e, any chasis number that doesn't come in that cut-off list becomes a 2008 model even if the vehicle purchased was in 2007. The company usually sends that list of chaisi to the concerned RTO and the same will be endorsed in the owners (or your) RC.


    So even if you want to buy a vehicle during December (festive & year ending offers) check out that the vehicle is not of old stock and a new one, which can be endorsed as a 2008 model. I thought of telling it, because offers in January will be very few when compared to December.




  3. i agree that' date=' bajaj has made an unnecessary fuss over the launch of TVS flame.

    tvs hasnt done "stealing bajaj's technology." thats right. but we can say that, they have always tried to copy bajaj's innovative moves, instead of getting better ideas. [/quote']

    Hi there...smiley1.gif


    I agree to what u said about TVS getting "inspired" from Bajaj, but i won't say copied, because that would first make Bajaj copying their designs from Kawasaki. But i got different views for the same, though i dont intend as such to contradict what u said.

    for example:

    1. when bajaj has sarted introducing bikes with alloy wheels. tvs also started doing so, with a similar design alloy wheel.

    Can't it also be due to lessen the production time, ease of maintaiance and the suppliers changing over to the alloys as well? TVS or any other 2-wheer manufacturer would have gone that way sensing what the customer want and their own economy of sales. 


    I am sure all the bikers here would agree that cleaning their bikes have become easy ever since the alloys came in! But yes, Bajaj came in with it. No denial.




    2. then bajaj got desperate. and introduced bikes with black alloys and black engine block. then tvs also came with them. i accept that, other bike manufacturers, like HH has also done the same thing, but TVS was the first to imitate.

    Nope! It was TVS that came in with Black alloys. If I'm not wrong Bajaj brought out their Black Pulsar only after - maybe - seeing the Spy pictures of the prototype Apache with Black Alloys in the testing, because I have not yet seen any Apache with alluminium alloy pictures. But that pre-production bike was with a different alloy than what the production Apache's had.




    3.bajaj came with LED tail light and Digital display with analogue tachometer on pulsur, and tvs was the first to imitate it shamelessly on their apache, though, it looked better than, on pulsur. 

    None of the Models that Bajaj displayed at Auto Expo that I have seen had Digital consoles. Where as the AutoExpo 2004 where TVS  showcased their "production reality" model basd on Fero (then called Chicane) had a digital console with digital speedo on the right and an tacho on the left. Its atleast 2 years after that, Digital consoles came on the Pulsar. It also had projection lamps, so P220 copied it?


    So to say TVS thought about digital consoles only after Bajaj is a bit harsh on TVS.




    4. and now, tvs has imitated the idea of twin spark plug in their flame, though, nobody can challenge them. they have done it in such a way that, it can be termed as violation of patent. very cleaver, TVS..!!!! 

    Why should TVS turn to Bajaj for inspiration on Twin sparks, when their erstwhile partner have been using it? But whats so specific about a twin-spark? Its not an innovation that Bajaj unleashed and have been there since the 80s.


    Also, TVS Flame engine is a totally different stuff that Bajaj is yet to come to terms with. I am pretty sure that many automotive magazines might be scratching their heads as to which one to choose as the Bike of the year. TVS Flame or Bajaj XCD.


    my Vote is for TVS Flame! 




    so can we say that, bajaj has no right to respond to this ..? actually, they were desperate at TVS copying their ideas, and not their 'technology'. 

    No i dont deny their right to respond, but a response has to let out only after the details have been studied. The response that came from Bajaj looked like small kids were throwing mud at a promising new comer, because the kid doesnt like him use his playground and take away his share.





  4. The Big Bad Boy in Indian 2-wheeler industry definetely seems like Bajaj. They have been the harcore opponents (if I'm not wrong) of Chinese and other low-cost bikes entering the Indian market and recently, their ego, jealously and other attitude made them to take a cheap pot shot at TVS Flame.


    They have been, along with sympthisers in automotive magazine sections, pulling up the issue of substandard and cheaper quality products entering the Indian market and asking for a ban and sort of thing.


    BUT, BUT, BUT......where was this Bajaj and other concerned automotive wallas before the 90s??....weren't the Indians fed with the same cheap quality products from their stable by blocking the entry of higher quality Japanese and other Bikes and automotives?? All was done in the name of grooming the Indian industry (or grooming individual business houses pockets?) and loss of jobs.


    But the situation now is that, the same people who were selling cheap products earlier and have now come to making better products through their learning curve want to deny the newer players the basic right to learn and get better. Also, how much does Bajaj which boasts as the no2 2-wheeler maker contribute in terms of direct employment??......a bare minimum, if I'm not wrong. Hero Honda and other makers are better in that area as well when compared to Bajaj.






  5. For your information the company "Global Auto" which is making this offereing is a joint venture between Xenitis Group of India and a CHINESE company.


    So the bike effectively is Chinese.




    I dont think to write off any Chinese product is a good idea. I would say, let the customers decide what they want and would like to see the biggies in auto industry to stay off from creating any trouble for low-cost customers from getting a decent mode of commuting. 


    With heavy fuel price, many wont be able to afford 30-40k for a new bike and then go on for daily petrol bills. For them a 2nd hand bike might be cheaper alternative, but a peace of mind will be a luxuary. So for such customers, a cheap bike which can atleast give them 1-2 years of peaceful mind in the form of warranty will be more than welcome.


    These bikes will also be a hit among the large masses who are not brand concious. So all the best to Xenitis. Btw, their Laptop range was launched a few years back by Konkana sen's Mommy.smiley1.gif




  6. Yup ' date=' just read about it in today's newspaper. I don't see this as a big competition even if their mileage claims are true. Hero Honda and Bajaj are the norm these days, and it will be hard to get customers for an unknown brand.



    I think many are underestimating the chance of the Xenitis. There is a huge chuk of masses who can't afford a new bike and go in for the 2nd hand bikes, thats where these Chinese bikes would be offering them with an alternative.


    I hope AutoCar do give a test ride of the bikes (earlier launched), though I am not expecting any 5 star points, I would like to see what all it has.



  7. Thats crap....who told you TVS engines are not reliable. Did you know the Apache RTR did 100K Kms endurance run before it was launched. Can bajaj/HH do such heavy duty endurance runs on its bikes?

    I agree and I've become a believer on the bias that TVS have been getting from Indian automobile magazines. Atleast I have felt it!


    But' date=' i disagree about the Pulsars endurance test. In an interview some years ago, Rajeev bajaj had some points to make about his baby - the pulsar.


    he was saying that the first time that they tested the Pulsar engine on full throttle, it ended in a few minutes. But now, it can go on full throttle for 24 hours. I can't say for sure how much it is true, but from his confidence and his pointing out that single stuff, I have to believe that statement.



    My recommendation for you would be to wait for the RTR EFI. Thats the best  bike in the segement!


  8. Find my comments in Red to your post below....

    I'm  in love with the Apache too....and the RTR just take it to a all new level!!!

    but for me' date=' who is not a racer kinda guy, the RTR took me to a lower level. First and foremost being its sportier riding stance. Combined with a clip-on handle bar, it wud be taking a heavy toll on the arms & shoulders on a long ride. 


    my preference for a bike is that It should Look simply Great!, give decent economy and give comfortable riding position. Cut-throat power is not on the top of my list and 13.5bhp on Apache was good enogh for me. It doesn't mean that I would be complaining if the Apache was coming with a 15.7bhp RTR-EFI engine. After all who doesn't like that extra power.smiley1.gif


    Nope, the company has stopped production of the Apache 150 for quite sometime. And I doubt if any dealer has old stock left with them. Maybe some remote corner of India where the RTR has not yet reached might have the Old Apache...but thats just a guess!

    oh, so the only option might be a 2nd hand bike?  

    Your dream apache?? The RTR EFI will most probably be the last in line of the Apache lineup. TVS would most probably use a different platform for higher capacity bikes. And incase you are waiting for the RTR EFI, don't wait coz you wont have much options to modify it just yet! FI for bikes is still in a premature stage in India, there are performance additions available for the FI kits in bikes in India.

    The thought that RTR EFi wud be the last thing is the sadest thing, B'coz it would meant the original Apache design will be gone for ever and will only be available in sportier version. In my view, original Apache looked stunning from the side with its panels and the black & white combo of engine & exhaust gave it a real good Look. I love it!

    Yeah...the flames exhaust looks good....but for a moment just forget about the design perspective and look at it from the functional perspective. The flame's exhaust is supposed to do work on the flame and similarly the Apache's exhaust does work for the Apache.

    RTR's exhaust looks unfinished and "touched-up" in a hurry. As for the functional perspective, wont the Flames exhaust do the job with some tweaking? 


    But my question regarding the fitment of the same on the Apache remains unsolved. maybe for the answer I must wait till Flame is launched?


    Plus the RTR EFI sounds too good...you'll only mess up the character of the bike if you plonk in the Flame's exhaust. But if you are hell bent on changing your exhaust. I'd say wait for the warranty period to get over and then get your self a custom designed free flow exhaust!

    ok.but, how about tuning the Flames exhaust?



    Dude....its different...y be one of the crowd? Its just a matter of getting used too. One day of riding will be enough for you to get used console configuration!

    Actually I love the console of RTR, its just that I wanted the speedo on the right side. But as u say, a few hours of ride might change it. Done! 


    But how about fitting it on the Apache, what all problems and shortcoming likely to come-up?



    I think you want a Pulsar Apache...not possible dude....but u can compromise but putting in the Pulsar headlamp...but Im not so sure about the mounting points...so you will have to see the feasability of that!

    no, I just want a more finished headlamp assembly. Pulsar's havn't been the best, but still better than the Apache's. 


    Sure...if the mounting is same go for it...thank god u dint say you wanted the pulsar grab rails!!!

    thats what i wanted to see, if there will be any compatibility issue.


    AFAIK, the RTR levers have been specifically designed for peg scrapping....and it will easily be much better compared to the pulsars. And why in heavens sake do you want to remove those beautiful RTR levers and put in fugly pulsar levers????

    hey, i dnt say i want a pulsar's lever. I was mentioning about the utility of those levers compared to those found on Apache & Flame.


    Sure...very much possible....but you would have to change you rear wheel and swingarm for that.....assuming that you buy a non disk one...just but the one that comes with a disk yaar!!!

    Any rough estimate on the cost involved for rear disk brake as well as to put a petal disk up front?


  9. Whats the latest on the Scooters front?


    Bajaj showcased its Blade in the last Expo and a lot was being expected from Kinetic with its JetSet. But now that JetSet plans have been dropped (?), the only hope for seeing a good scooter is the Bajaj's Blade. When is it going to be launched and is there any plans from the TVS in the near future?


    Any chance of LML or Vespa planning to bring in some good scooters into the Indian market?


    I love scooters due to its utility and the comfort, and have waited too long to see the JetSet get to the roads, but that never happened. Are the chaps like me who love scooters going to get dissapointed, yet again?




  10. I'm planning to go for SUV early next year. Should I go with Ford Endeavor (Latest Model) or should I wait for Chevrolet Captiva?

    Captiva looks better' date=' by shedding the Boxy image of the Endeavor. Captiva would be earning you Pleasent smiles rather than a Serious look where ever you take it. So, over to u as far as looks Go. I certainly Love the Captiva. Its just that I can't afford one at this moment smiley19.gif 


    Is there anything which Captiva has and Endeavor lacks or there are more or less same?

    In terms of  how much a Manufacturer is serious about a market and adhering to its standards can be seen from the detailed changes that a manufacturer incorporates in its vehicles.


    When considering that, Ford have learnt its leassons (due to an earlier case) and changed their attitude (but M&M have not..! smiley7.gif) and is folowing the standard which can be seen in the Endeavor as well - The Wiper is on the left and Headlight controls are on the right, something that I missed on the Chevy's Captiva.


    I'm looking for Diesel SUV so Grand Vitara and CRV is out of contention.

    So go in for the Captiva....it got a smaller capacity engine but pumps out almost the same power as the Endeavour and Torque is not that behind. This surely is going to make u get to longer distance than an Endeavour*


    *depends on various parameters smiley1.gif




  11. Hi Freinds,

    I'm a new member and got some questions regarding TVS Apache.

    But first my view on the Apache. "Beauty lies with the Beholder", with that Philosophy, I put forward my set of dislikes & likes on the Apache.

    Like most of u, Apache's beauty captured my heart, and I have loved to buy one. But I reserved it till a few changes occur to the bike and have been looking forward to it. But contrary to my expectations, TVS went in for the RTR, which certainly had some very welcome features.

    My Dislikes (Apache)
    a) Exhaust pipe
    B) Consoles
    c) Headlight fairing

    My Dislikes (Apache RTR)
    a) Exhaust pipe
    B) Fully Sporty position

    c) new tail lamp
    d) Exhaust Chamber placement
    e) Extra fitted small tail

    f) Black alloys & engine


    General Questions
    a) Is the Apache still available? (I mean is the company still producing it?)
    B) Any problem with transmission that any heavy users of Apache have experienced?

    I have not yet bought the Bike and I'm still waiting to see my "dream" Apache to roll out or atleast the components to roll out so that I can modify the bike to my hearts content!

    Modification needed -

    a) Change of Exhaust pipe
    I have Zeroed in on Flames Exhaust Pipe, which is sooooo damn Good Looking.

    B) Consoles
    Definetely the digital meter of the RTR will do! But the Pulsar's console is better, in the sense that, the Speedometer is located on the right. I feel its more comfortable.

    c) Headlamp assembly
    The present assembly is "unfinished" and it looks like the front end was chopped off. I want a better "finished" assembly. I love Suzuki's B-King headlamp assembly, even Yahama Libero's headlamp promises a lot if worked on it well. The only missing stuff being two "wolf-eyes" in the space available.

    d) Grab rails
    Grab rails on the Flame is Excellent. I want it for sure!

    e) Brake
    Pulsar's came with the no-nonsense foot lever which will do its work even if the groud is kissing the exhaust pipe. But the Apache's won't! Even though the RTR comes with a remedy, it cannot be lifted straigh to the Apache.

    f) Rear Disk
    Since the RTR-EFi is coming with an optional rear disk, I would certainly love to have one included in the modification.

    Now over to You people for suggestions including feasibility of the modificatios and a cost analysis. 


    Rishad Cooper Ji, I expect a reply form u as well. I know u tooo Love TVS Apache and admire its beauty smiley1.gif