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  1. Speed, I have to give it to you!

    You are real Toyota fanboy! Keep it up.

    The fact is, irrespective of Fortuner breathtaking success, Captiva LTZ has better:

    Ride

    Handling

    Interiors

    Safety Features

    Value for Money

    Convenience

    As for Fortuner, except for reliability factor, sheer off-roading skills and killer looks factor - There's nothing in it.

    There's vast difference between Captiva (Manual) and Captiva Automatic 4 X 4!


  2. CRV lost out due to inflated tag!

    "Bestselling"! Fortuner has given the nos. Captiva can only dream off. Infact it has ripped open the SUV market. Only Honda & Toyota have so far managed to crack each segments they have operated in.

    True. Toyota commands respect and deserving so. For how long - we will have to see.

    There is thing called -"lack of choice"' date=' Captiva exploited this very Principle but its Fortuner's turn now & it has set a benchmark.
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    I don't think so. Captiva is a CBU and it attracts more than 100% Customs Duty (inc. CVD, SAD etc.) For a CBU, the pricing is spot on. Think about it, if Fortuner was to brought in as CBU, the pricing would have been in the tune of 25 lacs!

    Why reduce prices later on, this doesn't send across a good signal. Toyota never does that here, this also shows that GM were ripping consumers earlier & the advent of Fortuner has come as a blessing in disguise for future Captiva wannabees.

    GM knows there is no way in this world they can compete in this segment with CBU's. They had to clear their stocks sooner or later. GM did it right now and for a good reason. Same goes for NISSAN, SUZUKI and HONDA. All of them will opt for CKD route. Watch for the competition in next 12 months.

    Lets not talk about prices abroad, there's a huge margin difference in almost all cars. Market has given its answer & its a resounding Yes for the Fortuner. Others like Captiva, etc. can only live under its shadow.

    I'm just comparing how we are getting ripped off. After all, Toyota is selling Fortuner at a price of CBU. In thailand, the price gap between Innova and Fortuner is meagre while in India, one could buy 2 entry level Innovas instead of one Fortuner. Market conditions were indeed favorable enough for Toyota and they are taking full advantage of the same.

    Also, a car is not judged on Interiors or features alone. Fortuner is an SUV, lets judge it on its 4x4/offroad credentials. Captiva can't even have a wiff of it offrod.

    I bet 99% of the guys owning these costly SUV's wont ever do hardcore off roading in their life! For off roading, these people can stick with their gurkhas.

    Talking of X-Trail, etc. what are/were the sales figures, A.S.S, etc? Lets be practical over here, Fortuner is the game leader (period).

    NISSAN has big plans for India in coming years. I feel they are now taking Indian market more seriously than ever so A.S.S. wont be an issue in coming years

    I have always maintained Fortuner is heavily priced & doesn't have quality interiors, lacks features, etc. but still leads the SUV pack by a considerable margin. Heck I did not even go in for one due to long waiting periods but if it were to a SUV right now, it would be the Fortuner or else none!

    Thats exactly what I meant to say that it's grossly overpriced. Toyota is a world class brand adored by millions and for some good reason. If I were in USA, I would have chosen Camry over any GM car in that range because Camry over there is damn cheap. But not in India! No way I'm going to blow away 24 lacs on Camry and I will pick Superb anyday over anything else.

    Toyota Fortuner won it because of huge brand name and lack of competition. After this honeymoon period gets over and other manufacturers bring in their models via CKD route, let's see what they have in stock. Right now what I can see, Toyota is more overconfident than ever and dont be surprised to see price hikes for Fortuner while Fortuner Automatic is a mere illusion as of now!


  3. Sadly' date=' it wasn't successful in our market & reduced prices are still not going to provide any sort of leverage.[/quote']

    What are you talking about?

    Captiva single handedly took out CRV out of competition! In fact, before the launch of Fortuner, it was easily India's best selling SUV alongwith Endeavour. GM reduced prices because they knew they would never ever compete with Toyota on pricing front as Captiva was a CBU. So they decided to clear their stocks and bring the same as CKD from year 2010-2011 onwards with major price corrections (in the tune of 5 lacs).

    In Thailand, Fortuner sells at close to 11 Lacs and in India, it's a complete ripoff! You simply don't feel like sitting in a 19 Lac SUV (as opposed to X-Trail, CRV and Captiva).


  4. Captiva LTZ (19.5 lacs):

    Apart from ABS and EBD, Captiva LTZ boasts of:

    1. ESP (Inc. Traction Control)

    2. HDC

    3. Automatic Transmission/Tiptronic

    4. Disc Brakes on All Wheels

    Toyota has seriously missed majority of the safety features that should have been there. Captiva LTZ on the other hand oozes more luxury and is safer car than Fortuner. Overall, Captiva LTZ dwarfs Fortuner when it comes to features.


  5. Tiguan would be around 22 but then you get German engineering at it's best. As per as WHATCAR (UK) review, it's something special.

    CRV Diesel would not be CBU now IMO, if Honda has to succeed, they have to assemble this in India. Costing of about 20L is realistic but then you get a world class crossover. When RE/US$ was 40, CRV costed 17+ and 19+ as CBU. So it is very likely when this is assembled in India, the pricing will be spot on.

    SANTE FE is one of the American top selling SUV's

    Even WHAT CAR (UK) has given 4/5 to SANTA FE while other including Toyota lacked behind. I don't go after brand name anymore, I simply go with wave and performance. When this SUV will hit the Indian shores, watch out. It's brilliant inside out. It's R series Diesel will put Toyota to shame.

    Grand Vitara Diesel is backed by Maruti/Suzuki and will be hot favorite among us. It will sell well even as CBU. If assembled, the pricing will come down drastically - good news for us.

    If Skoda Superb and Laura is anything to go by, YETI will be something too. Waiting for the same anxiously.

    Let's see what next year has in store for all of us. Competition will bring the best out everyone.


  6. Lack of competition. E.g. Toyota Camry could not think of and will not come close to Skoda Superb in sales, engine and refinement no matter what. Superb will continue to smoke every car in this segment no matter what. So being a Toyota doesn't mean you're invincible.

    The matter of fact is there isn't any sort of competition (except for Captiva but it's a CBU) to Fortuner at this point of time so Fortuner comes as the best possible package to every Indian. Mitsubishi on the other hand is toying with us by selling their 8 Lac crap for 20 crap.

    In the absence of competition in this segment, Toyota will continue to mint money at its will.

    I'm waiting for the following launches and when they're done, let's see what Toyota has in stock for us?

    New Endeavour

    Grand Vitara Diesel

    Santa Fe

    Tiguan

    CRV Diesel


  7. Seem to some good news for Ford Endeavour Enthusiasts. Just spoke to my dealer (Bhagat Ford) and he has confirmed following:

    1. Leaf Springs go and Endy has all new suspension.

    2. Rear View Camera.

    3. 3 Litre Diesel, Automatic Transmission

    More surprises on the way....That's it, he said it would be best to visit to his showroom tomorrow as he can't divulge everything on phone. New Endeavour Automatic has an edge over Fortuner in terms of features. Pricing has not been confirmed but he said it would be more very competitive.

    He also remarked he was confident of good number of bookings as many of the potential Fortuner customer were pissed off by the long waiting periods.

    So I assume the biggest grunt regarding rear suspension goes away. Watch up Toyota. Extremely long waiting period was always going to be a double edge sword.


  8. Chevy Captiva - CBU (Attracts 110% CD/SAD/CVD)

    Honda CRV - CBU (Attracts 110% CD/SAD/CVD)

    Mitsubishi Pajero - CKD

    Mitsubishi Outlander - CKD

    Toyota Fortuner - CKD

    Ford Endy - CKD

    So I would say, it's the Mitsubishi comes up with a daylight robbery. As far as TATA's and Mahindra's are concerned, they're in a cocoon right now. They should thank god that they're in India and not China (Forget about USA/EU). Like in US, Zero Customs Duty would wipe them off completely and even 50% CD on the imported vehicles is enough to get them scared to hell.

    Chevy Captiva is the best priced SUV considering that it's 100% CBU. Hats off to GM.


  9. Also it just gets to show you that Fortuner is grossly overpriced. Captiva, when it was launched around 18 months ago, was priced at 17.7 Lacs Ex-Showroom. Considering the fact that it was imported in India as CBU (attracting 110% Customs Duty/CVD/SAD), the pricing was excellent. It's only due to the Rupee has weakened against US$ the price of Captiva has increased to 19.63 Lac Ex-Showroom.

    If Chevrolet takes some clue and bring in Captiva as CKD, that would allow them to price Captiva at around 15 Lacs. At 15 Lacs, it will most probably take out Endy and would match Fortuner in sales.

    Fortuner, being a CKD, is grossly overpriced and manufacturers like Suzuki (Grand Vitara Diesel), Hyundai (Santa FE), Mitsubishi (Outlander Diesel), Honda (CRV Diesel), VW (Tiguan Diesel) and Chevrolet (Captiva) now would have realized the potential in this segment (going by the initial booking numbers of Fortuner). I expect some interesting things to happen in this segment in the coming few months.


  10. Captiva is manufactured in Korea and is imported by GM India as CBU. Korean engineering is world class and right up there with the world's best. So I trust them. Fortuner is made in India and it's fit and finish/interiors are below par. Heck, they should have taken some leaf out of Mitsubishi (Outlander) book.

    In India, 99% of all 20 Lac SUV owners will drive urban and will not take their vehicles for extreme off roading.

    TOYOTA is enjoying their brand equity to the max.

    Regarding Hyundai, take a look at GENESIS and you'll agre   e they have it in them to take on the world's best. They already have had success in small car segment (which is crucial in India). They are not doing good in luxury segment because of their poor marketing. Also the problem lies in our mindset that Hyundai is good enough for below 8 Lac Cars and nothing else.

    It's like an American mindset that Indians cannot match us.....but to us whosoever says that is BS. Things change with time.

    Hyundai's new "soon to be launched" "R" series diesels can put Toyota, Honda and even some of their European counterparts to shame. Hyundai After Sales Service is pretty good in India. I think it's just about time and they will be calling the shots. They just need to put their marketing and timing right.


  11. Captiva all the way:

    Reasons:

    1. Made in Korea

    2. Class Leading Fit and Finish

    3. Luxurious Interiors. Feels you're in 20 Lac SUV

    4. Refined and Less Body Roll

    Unless one is going to go for extreme off roading, I can't see the need of a Fortuner. Only plus point of Fortuner is TOYOTA badge. It simply doesn't look like a 28.5 Lac SUV. It should have been priced around 15. Anyway for serious off-roading, our own home grown Gypsy is the adequate if not the very best.

    Regarding the reliability issue I don't see Chevy going anywhere. How often have we seen Hyundais and Chevys braking down in the middle of a highway.

    Also one to watch out for is upcoming SANTA FE by Hyundai. It's one of the top selling SUV's in America right now and it has got cracker of a diesel engine and refined interiors and most importantly it looks like a 20L SUV.


  12. Chevrolet will make good ground in the coming year as they have learnt from their mistakes. Magnum will rule this segment for some time to come as Laura can't be priced near Magnum (Heck, they failed to price Octavia near Magnum). 

     

    And yes, I dont want them to hire Sharukh Khan to sell their vehicles. It's outright stupid and it tells something about the mentality of the Indian consumers. Back in the days, Matiz was better than Santro in just about everything except the Daewoo Service.

     

    They say, Soccer can never replace cricket in India, no matter how much better the sport is. Same goes for just about everything. It's very difficult to alter the mindset of the Indian consumers. Once they get stuck in, they will go all for it.

  13. IMO, the serious problem with Grand Vitara is lack of equipment and power at this high a price. Further petrol engine with poor milage have added to their worries.

     

    Earlier version of their Grand Vitara was way overpriced.

     

    Let's see if Maruti plans to bring in their more powerful MultiJet diesel in Grand Vitara, couple that with their massive after sales service network, competitive spares and things will really go off well.

     

  14. I think they won't. Rumour has it that they will be offering Automatic Gearbox and the overall equipment levels are going to be generous. It is believed that most of the consumers will like 7 Seater and a good diesel engine over 5 seater and petrol engine of CRV.

     

    Ford Endeavour (Current Model) will probably bite the dust in 2008.

     

    Whatever, it's going to be hit as it's other main rival Santa Fe will be priced well above 20 lacs which means it will competing against the likes of X-Trail rather than Captiva.

  15. Optra Diesel has been a hit (thanks to the killer engine and price) and should they price their upcoming CAPTIVA well between 15-18 lacs, it could very well be a new market leader in Luxury SUV Segment. This SUV has brilliant diesel engine under it's hood and equipment levels, safety features are better than those of Ford Endeavour.

     

    Last but not least, they are learning from their mistakes.