Ford Ikon 1.4 D Vs Palio Stilo 1.3D

[twilitzombie 0]

Has anyone test driven the new ford Ikno 1.4D and Fiat Stilo 1.3D? I am looking for feedback from people to help me decide b/w these two. The parameters are on the engine performance and spares and services costs. Appreciate if owners of these two cars can provide price details on any replacement of parts they've had.  

[speed 0]

Ive driven Palio 1.3D, it wasn't impressive! Swift with the same engine is much better to drive.

On the other hand, though I have not driven the Ikon Diesel, but can safely  say that it should certainly be superior to the Palio D.

Ford's 1.4 D is not a performance machine, it is aimed on providing good FE & ease of driving within the City.

Palio D is also no rocket & is slower than the Swift D with the same engine.

Ford would provide better service & spare backup than Fiat.

[Crazy cat 0]

First of all, what is your requirement bubby? because both are from different segments and you need to choose which suits you. Do you need a boot? What is your usage? Budget?

[twilitzombie 0]

Hey Cat, am not worried about the categories. I've had 2 cars before and am quite knowledgeable about cars. I just haven't had a chance to test drive these since am out of the country right now. I am Christopher Columbus on wheels and yeah! boot space does matter but thats not the end of it.

My primary concern is spares and cost of ownership of the car and the performance between the two engines.

[archit 2]

out of these i think ikon 1.4D is the better one

[karanraheja 0]

Among the two i would advice the Ikon 1.4 TDCI. Ikon spares were known to be quite expensive but i heard its better now. Palio spares rate have been reduced by Fiat few days ago. But i  would see Ikon spares easy to source compared to Palio's. Both engines are brilliantly refined. But i feel the Ikon would give you more mileage and would be comparitively easier to maintain when compared to Palio.

Ikon : Has decent interiors, boot , excellent rear bench , better steering compared to Palio (where making U turns is quite irritating).

Palio : For tank like built , Handling.

[thackervijay 2]

zombie, well between the two 1.4d ikon anyday as ford is easy to maintain with spares and services to fiat, as fiat's uncertainity towards its future here. in these two go for ford ikon

[mehul_bhp 0]

well fiat palio is still a very good buy and it has a decent boot as well....palio stile looks really very stylish !!!

[twilitzombie 0]

I did manage to get the price list for palio from another forum. Now am looking for the Ford. I believe the Ikon 1.4 is giving introductory price discount which comes to 6.2Lakhs on Road in Bangalore and Palio is 5.8Lakhs. With the auto industry in such a turmoil am not sure if this is a marketing gimick coz speculators say the prices are bound to come down.

List of Parts  

- MRP Prices

No

Part Details by Segment

Palio 1.1

Petrol

No

Part Details by Segment

Palio Stile 1.3 Diesel

No

Part Details by Segment

Palio Stile 1.6 Petrol

 

Service Parts

Previous MRP           (@ 1.18 on LP) INR

 New Proposed MRP    INR      

(@ 1.18 on LP ) 

 

Service Parts

Previous MRP       @ 1.18 on LP INR

New MRP @ 1.18

on LP INR

 

Service Parts

Previous MRP @

1.18 on LP INR

 New MRP @ 1.18 on LP INR

1

Air Filter assy

218

209

1

Air Filter assy

585

518

1

Air Filter assy

        218

        209

2

Oil Filter Assy. 

131

140

2

Oil Filter

Assy. 

439

301

2

Oil Filter

Assy. 

        173

        112

3

Fuel

Filter 

142

130

3

Fuel Filter 

1,174

1,174

3

Fuel Filter 

        142

        130

4

Wiper Blades ( Pair )

234

223

4

Wiper Blades ( Pair )

234

223

4

Wiper Blades ( Pair )

        234

        223

5

Spark Plug Set

1,512

1,180

5

Glow Plug Set

3,232

2,712

5

Spark Plug Set

        284

        340

6

Timing Belt/Chain

1,003

631

6

Timing Belt/Chain

2,169

2,036

6

Timing Belt/Chain

     1,168

     1,415

7

Fan Belt/Drive Belt

254

260

7

Fan Belt/Drive Belt

830

690

7

Fan Belt/Drive Belt

        295

        354

8

Front Brake Pad ( Set

of 4 )

1,233

1,133

8

Front Brake Pad ( Set of 4 )

1,233

1,133

8

Front Brake Pad ( Set of 4 )

     1,233

     1,133

 

Average of Service Parts

4,726

3,906

 

Average of Service Parts

9,895

8,787

 

Average of Service Parts

     3,747

     3,916

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mechanical Parts

 

 

 

Mechanical Parts

 

 

 

Mechanical Parts

 

 

1

AC Evaporator coil

5,652

4,602

1

AC Evaporator coil

5,652

4,602

1

AC Evaporator coil

     5,652

     4,602

2

Radiator Hose Set

1,047

962

2

Radiator Hose Set

1,351

1,084

2

Radiator Hose Set

     1,245

     1,011

3

Front Strut / Shock

Absorber

2,183

2,183

3

Front Strut / Shock Absorber

2,183

2,183

3

Front Strut / Shock Absorber

     2,183

     2,183

4

Front Brake Bisc /

Drum

1,151

1,021

4

Front Brake Disc / Drum

1,151

1,021

4

Front Brake Bisc / Drum

     1,151

     1,021

5

Front Suspension

Lower Arm

5,310

3,599

5

Front Suspension Lower Arm

5,310

3,600

5

Front Suspension Lower Arm ( 2)

     5,310

     3,600

6

Clutch & Pressure

plate

5,104

4,000

6

Clutch & Pressure plate

4,662

4,130

6

Clutch & Pressure plate

     3,534

     3,481

7

Clutch Release

Bearing

584

465

7

Clutch Release Bearing

584

472

7

Clutch Release Bearing

        584

        465

 

Average of Mechanical Parts

21,030

16,832

 

Average of Mechanical Parts

20,893

17,092

 

Average of Mechanical Parts

    19,659

    16,363

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Accident Repair Parts

 

 

 

Accident Repair Parts

 

 

 

Accident Repair Parts

 

 

1

Front Bumper

4,720

3,304

1

Front Bumper

4,720

3,304

1

Front Bumper

     4,720

     3,304

2

Wheel Rim ( each )

1,168

944

2

Wheel Rim ( each )

1,168

944

2

Wheel Rim ( each )

     1,168

        944

3

Front Fender

2,806

2,687

3

Front Fender

2,806

2,687

3

Front Fender

     2,806

     2,687

4

Bonnet

12,762

9,971

4

Bonnet

12,762

9,971

4

Bonnet

    12,762

     9,971

5

Radiator

7,729

5,900

5

Radiator

15,358

10,384

5

Radiator

     7,729

     5,900

6

Front Door

11,210

7,080

6

Front Door

11,210

7,080

6

Front Door

    11,210

     7,080

7

Boot Lid / Tailgate

11,951

10,030

7

Boot Lid / Tailgate

11,951

10,030

7

Boot Lid / Tailgate

    11,951

    10,030

8

Head Light Assy. (

each )

6,490

6,215

8

Head Light Assy. ( each )

6,490

6,215

8

Head Light Assy. ( each )

     6,490

     6,215

9

Tail Light Assy ( each ) 

3,534

2,950

9

Tail

Light Assy ( each ) 

2,360

1,829

9

Tail

Light Assy ( each ) 

     3,534

     2,950

10

Front Wind Screen

Glass

4,661

3,068

10

Front Wind Screen Glass

4,661

3,068

10

Front Wind Screen Glass

     4,661

     3,068

11

Side Mirror ( with

casing )

2,419

1,651

11

Side Mirror ( with casing )

2,328

1,651

11

Side Mirror ( with casing )

     2,419

     1,651

 

Average of Accident Parts

69,450

53,800

 

Average of ACCIDENT Parts

75,814

57,163

 

Average of Accident Parts

    69,450

    53,800

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vineet 0]

My take on the same is a bit diff, firstly Indian buyer is known to be driven by paradigms. The same has been with many a good cars which have not done well in past in India. The same is with Palio too.

Beside, the same is also not helped by the poor sales/support of Fait. Now with TATA they are same like Mitsubishi with HM. I dont believe anyone will be quite convinced about make/durability of a TATA product due to their nagging daily issues.

 

Though the other major factor to note will be the features to price diff, in Ikon at 5.19 (Ex showroom Delhi) all you get is a boot with very little/no features whereas in Palio Multijet at around 4.50 you get many additional features which are minor to the extent to rear defogger, headlight adjuster to some of the key ones (which cannot be avoided in todays world) like remote trunk opener, Low fuel warning, engine check warning etc.

 

If i were you i will definitely check Dzire too (incase not bothered about looks)

[twilitzombie 0]

By the way these prices are as on October 2008 onwards.

[speed 0]

@Zombie, try & get hold of Ikon's spares price guide too for proper comparison.

Alternately you can check out the new Indica Vista Diesel, its spares  & maintenance will surely be cheaper than Ikon & Palio.

[anijog 0]

Hi, If you compare only the sevice and the performance then the IKON 1.4D it is! The service is only for Ford vehicles, many outlets, not like TATA-FIAT combo were service engineers will pamper the TATA, that's what seems so.

Performance of the 1.4D is brilliant, it's smooth like silk and a diesel, amazing!!

On a lighter chassis this engine will be brilliant. SInce it is lighter than the Fiesta, so FE and PU will be better than the Palio, again the IKON is a inherently responsive handling car.

[anjan_c2007 1]

Both are dated. I'd suggest any Fiat lover to wait for the Punto launch later in 2009. The Ikon is not preferable in today's market even with the Ford Common Rail diesel, though its low price will attract buyers.

[murlimonstar 0]

palio awesome car but bad after sales service so if you want good after sales service go for ford ,but if you can put up with avg service offered to fiat palio by tata dealers you can go for it as , its got the build quality , good fuel economy and pretty decent performance !!!!!!!!  

i have a fiat palio you can check out this post for pics and more !!!!!!!!

http://www.autocarindia.com/new/autocar_forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2646&PN=3

the performance is not that bad as few people tell that becoz swift got electronic power steering so it feel light and easy for city driving and the swift is

little lighter than palio !!!!!!!

decide for your self Italian stile (FIAT)(proof see below)or American econo car  (ikon)

[Vishal Gupta 0]

Ive driven Palio 1.3D' date=' it wasn't impressive! Swift with the same engine is much better to drive.

On the other hand, though I have not driven the Ikon Diesel, but can safely  say that it should certainly be superior to the Palio D.

Ford's 1.4 D is not a performance machine, it is aimed on providing good FE & ease of driving within the City.

Palio D is also no rocket & is slower than the Swift D with the same engine.

Ford would provide better service & spare backup than Fiat.

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The Palio will kill you on mileage.. My cousin is fed up, he hardly uses his car, only on ocasions . 

I test drove it last week and its brilliant!! The handling

is superb and the suspension is really good. You can hardly feel any bumps. I

was also impressed by the looks of the new 1.4 diesel Dura torque.

only the remote boot release is not a

standard option it comes as an accessory.

[designersf 0]

Both are excellent cars and quite old too...Among these, the Ikon is the one to go for as there is not much difference on the engine front and the ikon is spacious and a sharp handling car

[malhotra 0]

Ikon is the best choice buddy. The new tdci is quite good in every area and very worth the money. You will not worry about spare parts cost and maintenance because two year warranty is there. Ikon engine what can I say it is the fiesta engine and lighter chassis so the performance is great and fuel efficiency very good. b/w it is perfect for driving on our roads and handles nicely.

[twilitzombie 0]

Hi guys! thanks a ton for your time. Am shocked to hear that a remote boot lid is not a standard feature in FORD????? Waiting to gets a hands on exp with both the cars.

[twilitzombie 0]

By the way i found these links that could be useful in comparing the engines.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTD

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratorq_engine

 

You can also see which brands trust which engine.

[twilitzombie 0]

Well i've been going thru a lot of reading on the two cars. I see that most Ford customers have had very bad experiences with their delears and most talked about problems with ford relate to the engine. That's like putting your heart at risk!!!

 

Most Palio owners have issues with spare parts and are speculative about the tata servicing their vehicles, but this needs to be time tested. The good part is atleast you know its worth what you pay for, I can bear problems that are more human related than my car related

[speed 0]

I would still advise you to skip Palio & try Ikon, Ford's network is miles ahead of Fiat.

Alternately, have a look at Indica Vista, Swift Diesel & Logan diesel.