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Hyundai 1.5 crdi vs Fiat 1.3 MJD which is better?

which is the more Efficient engine?  

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  1. 1. which is the more Efficient engine?

    • Hyundai 1.5 crdi
      10
    • Fiat 1.3 MJD
      25


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Fiat 1.3 MJD is so much in the news. Almost all manufacturers have fitted them in their cars, except manufacturers like Hyundai who have their own R&D.

The hyundai engine has more displacement and would not be fair to compare value by value. But how about a relative comparison? Which is better engineered?

The  Hyundai's 1.5 crdi engine isnt lagging a lot. Its has the same Flat torque curve, good mileage and awesome torque and bhp. I would say its a tough fight between these two.

How do you feel?

Mileage figures city/highway:

Hyundai Getz 1.5 crdi - 12.5/18 km/l

Swift Vdi                    - 14/19 km/l

Engine Hyundai Getz Prime 1.5 GVS CRDi Maruti Suzuki Swift VDi (Diesel)
Engine Type/Model 1.5L 4-Cylinder DOHC Diesel 1.3L, DOHC, DDiS Diesel
Displacement (cc) 1493 1248
Power (PS@rpm) 110@4000 75@4000
Torque (Nm@rpm) 235@1900 190@2000
Valve Mechanism DOHC DOHC
Bore (mm) 75 69.6
Stroke (mm) 87 82
Compression Ratio 17.8 17.6
No of Cylinders (cylinder) 4 4
Cylinder Configuration In-line Inline
Valves per Cylender (valve) 4 4
Ignition Type

Engine Block Material Cast Iron

Block Head Material Aluminium Alloy

Fuel Type Diesel Diesel
Fuel System CRDi Common rail multi injection @ 1400 bar

jbond8302009-02-15 10:12:18

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Got to hand it to Hyundai, they came out with CRDI when only the other car was a 35 lakh Merc E Class with common rail tech. They brought out their CRDI powered Accent at some 7 lakh. That was great value and real performer. Though Fiat invented it; it was Hyundai that gave Indian's the first taste of Common rail tech at an affordable price.

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@DD, the Accent CRDi had many reliability problems. And also now Hyundai(Getz/Verna) is not affordable too, it is Fiat(Palio/Linea and Swift/Dzire with same engine) that is affordable or comes with more features.

If they give first taste doesn't necessarily mean they are best. If that is the case, Fiat group are the first one to give the common rail taste to the world. Fiat has boldly stated that Linea is designed to run 250k kms without requiring any engine work with 15k oil change and service interval. Will Hyundai bet on its engine's durability?

I'm just stating my views on your reply smiley1.gif

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Hyundai unveils latest generation R-Diesel engine

Hyundai Motor Company has released details of its brand new R-Engine Diesel powerplant on the occasion of the 8th Advanced Diesel Engine Technology Symposium held at the company's Namyang R&D Centre. With a power output of 135 kW and 392 Nm of torque, the 2.0 litre version of the R-Engine outperforms any competitive offering (147 kW and 436 Nm are delivered by the 2.2 litre version). The R-Engine will enter production next year and will see its first application on the 2010 Tucson and Sonata models.

"R proves Hyundai's Diesel development capabilities really are world-class. With Diesels becoming cleaner and more fuel efficient all the time, there's a growing demand for Diesel powerplants worldwide and Hyundai is well positioned to supply the market with the very best Diesel technology," said Dr. Hyun-Soon Lee, president of the Corporate Research and Development Division.

The R-Engine benefits from the third generation common rail system developed by Bosch whose piezo-electric injectors deliver fuel at 1800 bar for an unprecedented degree of accuracy and control.

It also features an electronic variable geometry turbocharger and an advanced engine control unit (air system-based charge control).

Developed by a 150 member team at an investment cost of 250 billion Won (AUD$285 million*), the R-Engine harnesses Hyundai's newest and most advanced development tools. Computational flow dynamics, structural and thermal analysis were used to optimise its design while computerised simulation of the die-casting process was employed to achieve the optimal balance of strength and low weight.

Over 500 prototype engines were built during the 42 month long development period which encompassed a wide variety of performance and emissions tests, endurance as well as NVH, cooling and lubrication studies. Finally, the engine was installed in vehicles and subjected to exhaustive testing under all imaginable environmental conditions.

Available in 2.0 and 2.2 litre displacements, the all-aluminium R-Engine is fitted with a 16 valve dual overhead camshaft which is driven by an internal steel silent timing chain. For reduced vibration and lower booming noise, the R gets a lower balancer shaft which has been encased in stiffened ladder frame housing for increased rigidity. Weight saving features include serpentine belt with isolation pulley, a plastic head cover, plastic intake manifold and plastic oil filter housing.

To achieve Euro 5 emission compliancy, the R is fitted with a close-coupled Diesel particulate filter plus highly efficient exhaust gas recirculation with by-pass valve.

The R-Engine brings Hyundai's Diesel engine family fully up-to-date as it joins the U-Engine (1.1 litre, 1.4 litre and 1.6 litre), the A-Engine (2.5 litre) and S-Engine (3.0 litre V6).

Note: * Exchange rate calculated at 1 AUD = 877.19 KRW

For further information:

Ben Hershman,
Senior Manager Product Communications and Public Relations
t: 02 8873 6000
m: 0401 989 707
e: ben_hershman@hyundai.com.au

Stephen Howard,
Media Specialist
t: 02 8873 6026
m: 0401 990 135
e: stephen_howard@hyundai.com.au

Hyundai Motor Company Australia
Established in 1967, the Hyundai Automotive Group is the world's fifth largest and fastest growing major automotive manufacturer. Hyundai Motor Company Australia Pty Ltd (HMCA) was established on October 1st, 2003 as a wholly owned subsidiary of Hyundai Motor Company. The award-winning range of Hyundai vehicles continues to set segment and industry benchmarks in value, quality and safety, with innovations such as ESP Stability Program and Australia's first five-year warranty with unlimited kilometres.
2008 marks Hyundai Motor Company Australia's entrance into the Light Commercial Vehicle market in Australia.

For more information visit: www.hyundai.com.au

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@ Crazy Cat: Hyundai has come a long way; what ever other's may say, the above is testimony to it's technical prowess. It's just a matter of time when it get's recognized for it. Honda has been around for soo long and where is it's diesel engine tech...it's limited to it's 2.2 l, only, where as Hyundai a late entrant has a full range of diesel engine's for all it's vehicle's.
Durango Dude2009-02-15 13:03:53

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The above article states about a new engine to be launched in 2010. Let's wait and check the 2010 Tucson model. Does Verna has it? I know you gave this just for reference that Hyundai has come up a way lot. But Fiat is better than them. I believe we are referring 1.5 Verna CRDi and 1.3 mjd from Fiat, while in this Fiat is better. May be with the new engine in 2010, they might do some miracle, but we have to wait for that, say a year.

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Voted for the Fiat here - Hyundai fans, let me state my case -

The engine has four versions - the highest version produces 105 PS smiley1.gif   

Just google - "Lancia Ypsilon" - it comes with this engine tuned to 105PS

Now if only Fiat India could launch a palio diesel sport with that engine - we won't be having this poll smiley2.gif

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Got to hand it to Hyundai' date=' they came out with CRDI when only the other car was a 35 lakh Merc E Class with common rail tech. They brought out their CRDI powered Accent at some 7 lakh. That was great value and real performer. Though Fiat invented it; it was Hyundai that gave Indian's the first taste of Common rail tech at an affordable price.[/quote']

Well the question aint which company was the 1st to bring it!! I do agree hats off to Hyundai to bring CRDI. But as CC mentioned reliability wise i dont think CRDI will come close to MJD's, DDIS's. Most of my close friends/relatives have complained of reliability of CRDI s after 75 k .

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well talking about reliablity hyundai may have engine reliability issues after 4 years but atleast they can back it up with serivce , i know about people want to buy the fiat linea but arebacking off due to fiats service reliability issue they had faced during palio & spare-part pricing

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well we are discussing which one out of 1.5 crdi and 1.3 multijet is best, and i vote for fiat's 1.3L multijet engine, these are engines sold by companies, where fiat's one id doing wonders around globe in different cars and car manufacturers,havent heard that big problem with fiat's engine which is more superior to hyundai's crdi,may be the issues with hyundai's crdi engines might be sorted out with their new technology being worked on in 2010,but till then its FIAT MULTIJET.

Pl dont fight for which company is better,rather which engine is to choose from.

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Got to hand it to Hyundai' date=' they came out with CRDI when only the other car was a 35 lakh Merc E Class with common rail tech. They brought out their CRDI powered Accent at some 7 lakh. That was great value and real performer. Though Fiat invented it; it was Hyundai that gave Indian's the first taste of Common rail tech at an affordable price.[/quote']

 

I Agree DD points.

Fiat launched its CRDi technology after 4 years of Accent CRDI, till that time Accent Crdi is best in class.

 

Hyundai is going launch its new 1.1 L CRDI engine with equal power of Fiat 1.25L

 

Fiat diesel

4 cylinder

1.25 L

Power - 75 PS @ 4000 rpm

 

i10 Diesel

3 cylinder

1.1 L

Power - 75 PS @ 4000 rpm

 

I hope Every new release comes with some innovations thats why

Hyundai 1.1 L power = Fiat 1.25 L power

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Guyz - Firstly Fiat invented the crdi, Hyndai & others just copied it or took colaboration as in mercedes & other top car manufacturers & gave it different names or versions. Then Fiat came out with the next generation crdi- The Multijet. And again all other companies wanted it also. Hence Fiat is already years ahead in researching engines for the future in their R&D units & do not disclose till they are completely succesful.

We should not forget when research is done by Fiat, they spend millions & others just spend a fraction to copy & adjust it to their cars as in Hyundai.

Hyundai has not invented or created one single technology till date & is known to copy designs & technologies from world leaders like Fiat. They copy & produce their cars especially for the markets which have little knowledge about cars, thats how they ended up entering India in the initial years. Now they also have markets in europe, but majority of the europeans, especially the western european countries where car enthusiaits are majority, do not prefer Hyundai or Korean cars no matter how cheap they are.

 

The most important factor that we as Indians need to know is that when an engine or a car is manufactured we need to look into many aspects & not just looks or "ok the car runs" factor. What we in India need to know is that the Indian car market has matured & we need to judge our cars in a more appropriate manner.

 

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[quote name=Crazy catIf they give first taste doesn't necessarily mean they are best. If that is the case' date='
I'm just stating my views on your reply smiley1.gif [/quote] Well i like Hyundai's Crdi and yes their engine was revolution atleast to indian market but still if we talk about today, its Mjd for its refinement but for power its 1.5 Crdi all the way...But i voted for Mjd..

 

And CC yes i agree with you and same thing i want to tell some members here also who love maruti because they brought revolution in Indian automobile industry and always shout one thing only...Although they brought first but they did their business and not social work whether its Hyundai for its Crdi or Maruti for its 800...

 

Back to topic, Mjd is more advanced but i think Fiat should bring a powerful one maybe 1.6Mjd..

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as to what DD has posted some article, I could post loads of material in that manner from around the world about Fiat's appreciation & Hyundai disgrace in terms of copying designs & technologies from around the world.

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But, no matter how good is the technology its the complete product which matters.

Hyundai with its good A.S.S, international releases, and decent enough cars make it a more attractive than the Fiat for majority of the buyers.

Edit: I am referring to the Indian buyers

jbond8302009-02-17 08:23:01

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Blue - the reason i mentioned from the basics, thats cause we need to know how they were made in the first place & what has gone behind making edrive-trains like these. Thats when all the info one likes to know, when 2 technologies like these are compared.

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But' date=' no matter how good is the technology its the complete product which matters.

Hyundai with its good A.S.S, international releases, and decent enough cars make it a more attractive than the Fiat for majority of the buyers.

Edit: I am referring to the Indian buyers

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Well buddy you only started the poll about best engine under the hood!!Why deviate to A.S.S. & stuff. Its quite obvious that without A.S.S. no point having great engine(Eg. Magnum)too. Lets just stick to the engine comparison .

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I think everyone understands that Fiat is the best diesel engine around. Am I rite?

Something says that, Hyundai will regularly update its diesel engines as the technology improves. But how about Fiat?  

On the other hand. Hyundai has a 1.1 liter crdi diesel engine for the i10. But the same has not been released in the Indian market.

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