creativebala 178 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 India is one of the biggest hatch market in the world. In the coming days, we are going to see dozens of new hatches from various makers in roads. Instead of attaching a boot to the hatch, why can't they make it a 7 seater India is a very good market for cheap yet reliable 7 seater. The cheapest 7 seater in our country is Sumo Grande (I don't consider an Omni a car), even thats costly. A swift, elongated and made a 7 seater like this or These if made in India should start at 5L and FE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winner48 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 The 5 lakh price tag is doubtful. They might start at 6.5 lakhs. For that price, one gets a decent full sized MUV/SUV BTW, whats wrong with the OMNI?? Its a decent car. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creativebala 178 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 The 5 lakh price tag is doubtful. They might start at 6.5 lakhs. For that price' date=' one gets a decent full sized MUV/SUV [/quote'] a Ritz/ swift starts near 4L. I added 1L for these estate. Just like our Marina At 6.5, which MUV/SUV seats 7 people comfy. I think its none. In addition, hatch based 7 seater will be highly FE BTW' date=' whats wrong with the OMNI?? Its a decent car.[/quote'] Omni- high CG/ less weight/ leaf coil rear suspension/ no ps/ no CRUMPLE ZONE, non aerodynamic, unstable at 60-70kmph The most unsafe vehicle in Indian Road Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winner48 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 It is stable enough at 100 km/hr. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creativebala 178 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 It is stable enough at 100 km/hr. never play with life man.(yours & pedestrians). Apply a sudden brake at 100kmph in omni, then you will understand what i say Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimgeo 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 Omni can be awarded as the most unsafe passenger vehicle on four wheels in the world. It will get a rating in any safety tests instead of star rating. Edit: Sorry mods I tried to reduce the size of the pictures but it came big when I posted. Could you please reduce its size. jimgeo2009-10-19 07:53:02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winner48 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 A fully loaded omni(loaded with people or cargo, not accessories) is one of the most stable vehicles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rki2007 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 Omni is not that unstable. You can manage it at 90-100kmph Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sudan 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 Omni is the most Unsafe vehicle and no one will survive an accident in the Omni. Sudan2009-10-19 14:05:24 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bossottoelango 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 Omni does not deserve this much hate..... Infact, any vehicle good (or) bad, first depends on the driving habits and skill.... If you are really a expert driver, you can drive any vehicle safely....... Its only rogue / careless / arrogant / drunk driver's who spoil the art of driving disturbing others life as well.... so dont just blame the vehicle design alone..... lets clear our mistakes first before pointing finger on others..... SORRY ABOUT MY LANGUAGE......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msd63 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 The GM group has a 7 seater based on the Astra platform called Zafira in UK. It is car-like to drive and smaller than the Innova. It will probably do well if introduced in India as a private vehicle. The Innova has become more of a Taxi vehicle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creativebala 178 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 The GM group has a 7 seater based on the Astra platform called Zafira in UK. It is car-like to drive and smaller than the Innova. It will probably do well if introduced in India as a private vehicle. The Innova has become more of a Taxi vehicle This is the exact segment I am talking about Opel Zafira/Renault Scenic. These acts as a car in all aspects' date=' but can seat 7. Should do wonders in Indian Market. Its only rogue / careless / arrogant / drunk driver's who spoil the art of driving disturbing others life as well.... This is not the case always. Some times even good drivers tends to make small accidents. These small accidents causes small scratches if MrX travel in Fiat/ Skoda or takes MrX life or handicap him if travelled in Omni. Ok if I agree to what you say, let the other person be a rogue / careless / arrogant / drunk driver. Am I not suppose to safe guard myself. If I want to be safe, I should avoid Omni creativebala2009-10-19 18:37:00 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimgeo 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2009 Many international brands have very good looking 7 seater MPVs Toyota: Avanza Nissan: Livina, Qashqai Opel/Vauxhall: Zafira Mitsubishi: Colt Plus These models are having engines ranging from 1 litre to 2.0 litres. If they are priced reasonably below 7 lakhs they will outsell some of the sedans. There is a thread already here with the pictures of some good loking MPVs. jimgeo2009-10-20 02:51:08 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creativebala 178 Report post Posted October 20, 2009 @ Jimgeo This thread Hatch Based 7 seater points to Compact MPVs which comprise Opel Zafira/ Renault Scenic/ Citroen Xsara Picasso/ Volkswagen Touran/ kia ronda 7 kia ronda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mohan.shocks 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2009 I have driven my Maruti Omni E, with my family (6 adults) on highways around 90 - 100 Kmph. I doesn't feel any problem in highway with Omni at high speeds and braking may not be effective as in disc variant, but applying brakes with gear reduction will do better. Recently, I went Hyderabad from Chennai, 670Kms within 11 hours ( includes fuel refilling,breakfast and lunch break). The FE was 18.9 Kmpl and for return trip the FE 17.7 Kmpl.( the reduction in FE at the cost of 100Kgs of rice bags). Omni is the best fuel efficient MUV in India. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creativebala 178 Report post Posted October 20, 2009 I doesn't feel any problem in highway with Omni at high speeds Last week, when my uncle was travelling in ECR, a tempo came suddenly in front of him from no where. He applied brake at around 80-90. Guess what ? Car turned 90 degree on ECR, Luckily there are alive today. Omni has never been a HIGHWAY CAR period. Even if a dog get hit, driver might loose his legs (That unsafe) Its light weight & height make it easily to Topple Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Durango Dude 2 Report post Posted October 20, 2009 @Bala: I think the only option available is the Versa. Till the rupee appreciates 'appreciably' we can all dream of having a Renault Scenic for 5 Lakhs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chevy Staff 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2009 We will get this to india, Chevy promise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creativebala 178 Report post Posted October 20, 2009 We will get this to india' date=' Chevy promise.[/quote'] Can you please elaborate? This thread speaks about Hatch based 7 seater & not minivan GM had Opel Zafira on this segment. Today Opel is not GM. So can you elaborate your Promise Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creativebala 178 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Toyota developing sub-Innova product for India Company considering an MPV/MUV in the Rs 6-8 lakh price bracket The company is looking to position it between its new small car and the Innova, which should fit in to the Rs 6 lakh to Rs 8 lakh price bracket. Toyota claims it is developing an all-new model, which should go on sale in the next two years. Since the company wants to play safe with the vehicle and not affect Innova sales, it might look at a five- or six-seater with a sub 2.0-litre diesel engine for its people mover. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rameshbabu.n 6 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 I was wondering why a hatch should have 7 seats ? In my 24 years of motoring, I found that most often these small cars are driven with less than 4 (or 5) passengers. If there is a need to move 7 or 8, either 2 cars are used or a Sumo/Qualis/Innova type of vehicle is engaged/hired. For that sort of occassional use, is it necessary to have a hatch with 7 (or 8) seats ? A 7/8 seat hatch needs to have longer wheelbase, higher roof, more powerful engine and a better braking power to ensure safe carriage of 7/8 adults. Most of these additonal features, costing a lot of money and space and effort, would end up not being used regularly. So, why design and bring such a vehicle ? Somehow, I am not convinced that there is a need for such a class of vehicles in India where collaborative-commuting is rare. The office-goers do not drive 70 to 100 kms for their commuting daily, as many in western/european nations do. They do it in shared-commuting vehicles. Then, coming to Omni. I had a 8 seater Omni for over 13 years. Never had an accident. Never felt that it is unsafe. Or, dangerous on highways. As someone said earlier, it is very stable if fully loaded and driven even at 90-100. One of the most user-friendly vehicle. The notable drawback is the absence of an AC. We can not talk of the latest safety gadgets and features when we talk of Omni, as it is a practical vehicle which was launched about 15 years back. We should not forget this aspect when we talk about this most useable, and useful vehicle we ever had in India. Right from a micro family to a big family, from a school pick up vehicle to a taxi, to an ambulance, to a pick up carriage to a cargo van to .... to ... to .... No vehicle had ever managed to do so many jobs in our diversified environment as an Omni did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creativebala 178 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 A 7/8 seat hatch needs to have longer wheelbase' date=' higher roof, more powerful engine and a better braking power to ensure safe carriage of 7/8 adults.[/quote'] Renault Scenic's dimensions very close to Logan, so not that big Length- 4344 mm Width-1845 mm Height- 1637 mm Wheel Base-2702 mm Kerb Weight-1385 kg Engine- 1.5L(our ultra frugal Logan's, can expect 20+kmpl) why design and bring such a vehicle ? 7 seater's Advantages over SUV' date=' 1. Its dimentionally small, EASY MANEOURING 2. Drives like a car, NOT AS A BOAT(SUV) 3. Mileage approximately twice as an SUV, Scorpio 10kmpl & Logan 20KMPL 4. Easy on pocket, people mover in India starts @ 7.5L+ 5. Feels like a car, 6. Good Suspension & better braking. Disadvantages Bad GC Bad visibility of Road (SUVs high level vision missing) Ask toyota, yesterday they said, they will bring one such car in India where collaborative-commuting is rare. Don't consider the IT young couples alone as India. A proof of this is your own car XYLO. Why did you buy a Xylo instead of an i10 On Omni which was launched about 15 years back. Omni was launched in 1985' date=' by this time, its dies would have got rusted On Omni it is very stable if fully loaded and driven even at 90-100 With drums all around, when & how will it stops man, A brotherly advise, avoid these stunts On Omni No vehicle had ever managed to do so many jobs in our diversified environment as an Omni did. Hope you forgot TATA ACE on OmniThe notable drawback is the absence of an AC Add light weightness, Height, No crumple zone, Leaf Coils, Today's Customer's basic needs (No PS, No PW, No CL) ... to the list creativebala2009-10-23 19:24:56 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimgeo 0 Report post Posted October 24, 2009 @Bala: Renault Scenic is not in the range of 5-8 Lakh Rupees. It is above 11Lakhs in UK for the basic model. In India this kind of hatch based 7seaters will be a succes only if it is priced below 8 Lakhs for the top model. None of the current international models will never come under that price. At this moment it is much sensible if Toyota brings the phased out Avensis in a stripped down version especially to cater to the Indian price perspective. They can make use of their old dies and offer only basic features to control the price. I am quiet sure that Toyota will do like this or they will bring Avanza to India. But more possibility for the Avensis when we read together with that model spotted testing in Bangalore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Endless 1 Report post Posted October 24, 2009 i think indigo Marina could have been a very good 7 seater Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creativebala 178 Report post Posted October 24, 2009 i think indigo Marina could have been a very good 7 seater same thought here too also posibility palio adventure Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
