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No need for that. In the international market GM, opel and Suzuki have same patents and this is quite common. Suzuki designs the cars and GM , opel rebadges these cars.

http://www.netcarshow.com/opel/2008-agila/04.htm

Opel agila is Suzuki Splash.

Search the forum and you will find a thread where GM optra india is actually a suzuki sedan. GM has a percentage in suzuki and that is the reason that suzuki designs go into GM and Opel. Praise Suzuki for that.

***EDIT***

Suzuki Forenza is GM optra in india.

sb-alto2010-02-04 06:07:59

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I never thought that the R/// would be such a huge copy. FOrgetting patents and stuff, they should make something new rather than go with the existing designs.

Optra is a Suzuki Liana if Im right.

There is another thread on this topic. request the mods to merge them.

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Optra is a Daewoo Nubira.

This is an era of consolidation, number of platform's are going to shrink and there will be a lot of platform sharing and sharing of component's; so these almost similar looking concepts will become common. It's not as if Suzuki is copying Opel it's the other way round; actually Opel is fighting for it's survival.

Durango Dude2010-02-04 08:23:32

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I never thought that the R/// would be such a huge copy.

Optra is a Suzuki Liana if Im right.

Its the other way. Suzuki designs and Others rebadges. You cannot call that a copy since design patents are same. BYD copies designs but these are companies with a fair amount of share of each other.  Here is a list of Suzuki cars and their used platform. Optra is suzuki Forenza. Google it to know more.

General Motors

Chevrolet Sprint -

United States/Canada (Suzuki

Cultus)

Pontiac

Firefly

- Canada

(Suzuki

Cultus)

Geo Metro - United States (Suzuki

Cultus

)
Holden

Barina

- Australia & New Zealand (Suzuki

Cultus

)
Chevrolet

Swift

- South America (Suzuki

Cultus

)
Chevrolet

Cruze

- Japan (Suzuki

Ignis

)
Holden

Cruze

- Australia (Suzuki

Ignis

)
Chevrolet MW

- Japan (Suzuki Wagon R)

Bedford

Rascal

- Europe (Suzuki

Carry

)
Bedford

Rascal

- United Kingdom (Suzuki

Carry

)
Holden Scurry - Australia (Suzuki

Carry

)
Chevrolet Supercarry - South America (Suzuki

Carry

)
Geo Tracker - United States (Sidekick/Vitara)
Chevrolet

Tracker

- United States/Canada (Sidekick/Vitara)
GMC

Tracker

- Canada (Sidekick/Vitara)
Asuna

Sunrunner

- Canada (Sidekick/Vitara)
Pontiac

Sunrunner

- Canada (Sidekick/Vitara)
Chevrolet

Vitara

- South America (Sidekick/Vitara)
Chevrolet

Grand Nomad

- South America (Suzuki

XL7

)
Holden Drover - Australia & New

Zealand (Suzuki

Sierra/Samurai)

Opel

Agila

- Europe (Suzuki

Wagon R

and Suzuki

Splash

)
Chevrolet

MW

- Japan (Suzuki Wagon R)
Vauxhall

Agila

- United Kingdom (Suzuki

Wagon R

and Suzuki

Splash

)

Subaru

Subaru Justy - Europe (Suzuki

Swift

)

Mazda

Mazda Proceed Levante - Japan (Suzuki

Vitara

)
Mazda Carol - Japan (Suzuki

Alto

)
Autozam AZ-1 - Japan (Suzuki

Cara

)
Autozam Scrum - Japan (Suzuki

Every

)
Autozam

AZ-Wagon

- Japan (Suzuki

MR Wagon

)
Mazda

AZ-Offroad

- Japan (Suzuki

Jimny

)
Mazda Spiano - Japan (Suzuki

Lapin

)
Mazda Laputa - Japan (Suzuki

Kei

)

Nissan

Nissan Moco - Japan (Suzuki

MR Wagon

)
Nissan

Pino

- Japan (Suzuki

Alto

)
Nissan Roox - Japan (Suzuki

Palette

)

Maruti Suzuki

Maruti

800

- India (Suzuki Alto)
Maruti

Omni

- India (Suzuki

Carry

)
Maruti Gypsy - India (Suzuki SJ)
Maruti

1000

- India (Suzuki

Cultus

)
Maruti

Zen

- India (Suzuki Alto)

sb-alto2010-02-04 08:54:16

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Optra is a Suzuki Liana if Im right.

There is another thread on this topic. request the mods to merge them.

IIRC' date=' its Suzuki Forenza
[/quote']

Suzuki Forenza = Daewoo Nubira = Chervolet Optra    smiley36.gifarreddyy2010-02-04 09:30:23

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Opel Meriva is a 5 seater mini MPV based on the Corsa platform. It has only two rows of seats. Suzuki RIII is a 6 seater with three rows of seats.

 

The concept model may not be the same as  production model.

 

The following is an extract from an article in Wall Street Journal about Suzuki's tie ups.

 

"After tying up with VW, Suzuki is modifying its tie- ups with other companies.

The Japanese small-car maker has a technology-development deal with GM and produces vehicles for Adam Opel GmbH (AO.YY) while it procures some of its diesel engines from Renault (13190.FR) and Peugeot S.A. (12150.FR). As part of the review, Suzuki will end joint development of a hybrid system with GM by the end of February and will likely terminate a fuel-cell systems project with GM.

 

Renault produces 1.9-liter diesel engines for Suzuki, while Peugeot makes 1.6-liter engines. Suzuki said his company will keep making 1.3-liter diesel engines in India based on Fiat SpA (F.MI) technology

 

GM - Suzuki tie up ended in 2008 when GM unloaded its remaining 3% stake in Suzuki. GM had reduced its stake from 20% in 2006 as part of a restructuring"
jimgeo2010-02-04 09:34:02

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Suzuki Forenza = Daewoo Nubira = Chervolet Optra    smiley36.gif

Similarly

Suzuki Swift+ = Daewoo Kalos= Chevy Aveo U-Va

 

But my concern is, when GM had share in Suzuki, Suzuki can use GM's design and now, when GM is in no way connected to Suzuki,

 

Is it ethical to Copy GM even now?
creativebala2010-02-04 09:40:04

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Opel Meriva is a 5 seater mini MPV based on the Corsa platform. It has only two rows of seats.?Suzuki RIII is a 6 seater?with three rows of seats.

And if you look closer, you will notice that the R /// is bigger than the Meriva. A couple of similarities in design such as the operation of opening of doors and the shape of window,is creating all the confusion!

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Is it ethical to Copy GM even now?

It is not called copy. They definitely would have had an agreement on what would happen when the deal goes off. Otherwise you would have seen several lawsuits filed against Suzuki by now.

Chevrolet continues selling Opel vehicles, doesn't it?

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The meriva is finalized

http://www.netcarshow.com/opel/2011-meriva/

You cannot call that a copy. In india GM does not have a share with MSIL but in some countries GM and Suzuki has a tie up. Its been a long time when GM and Suzuki had similar designs. Had it been a copy then Suzuki would not have existed and would have been blacklisted.

No questions of Ethics. Its a business deal and its legal.

sb-alto2010-02-04 15:29:13

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And i don't think it is a cause of concern for the indian automobile enthusiast as far as the car is really good in all aspects........anyway we don't have Opel in India......so it doesn't really matter that much, even if the design is a little similar.

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And i don't think it is a cause of concern for the indian automobile enthusiast as far as the car is really good in all aspects..

But it hampers the image and respect of a company. There is a company in China called BYD. This company copies all designs of toyota and honda in their cars. We do not have BYD in India, but every one talks about it and criticizes it for faking. So its reputation all over is screwed. If in this case it was an illegal copy paste then Suzuki and GM would never have achieved the reputation it has today.

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@CB : This should clear all doubts.

Have You Already Driven A Suzuki?

Posted: Mar 06, 2009 |

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With almost a decade and a half of experience in new

Suzuki vehicles and used car sales in the

Peterborough, Ontario area, Del Mastro Motors has long experience

educating the general public about Suzuki. People looking into buying

Suzuki for the first time are occasionally a bit unsure of what the

ownership experience will be like. Prospective customers can be put at

ease with a simple fact: Unbeknownst to them, they may have driven a

Suzuki before. Suzuki has a long history of designing cars for other

companies. In fact, some of the most popular cares of the last few

decades have been rebranded Suzukis.

General Motors is the

largest, best-known Suzuki client in North America. Suzuki has produced

18 different cars for GM

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But it hampers the image and respect of a company. There is a company in China called BYD. This company copies all designs of toyota and honda in their cars. We do not have BYD in India' date=' but every one talks about it and criticizes it for faking. So its reputation all over is screwed. If in this case it was an illegal copy paste then Suzuki and GM would never have achieved the reputation it has today. [/quote'] Sure it does, sb-alto. I completely agree with you on that point. But if MSIL brings out an inexpensive, reliable and efficient people-mover, i don't think people will hesitate to buy it. That MSIL badge is all the assurance a buyer would need.              

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GM is the majority shareholder in GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co. of South Korea' date=' and has product, powertrain and purchasing collaborations with Suzuki Motor Corp. and Isuzu Motors Ltd. of Japan.[/Quote']

This according to GM says that it has a JV with Suzuki which has product, powertrain and purchasing collaborations with Suzuki

In 2004' date=' General Motors and Suzuki jointly purchased the bankrupt Daewoo Motors renaming the venture GMDAT. American Suzuki rebadged the compact Daewoo Nubira/Daewoo Lacetti as the Forenza and the mid-size Daewoo Magnus as the Verona. The Forenza gained station wagon and hatchback body style in 2005, with the hatchback sold under the Reno name.[/Quote']

This is a statement from Wikipedia showing,GM-Suzuki jointly purchased Daewoo of Korea(2004).Thus,Suzuki started to re badge Daewoo cars and started to sell them in Canada.

Since 1985' date=' Suzuki has shared or produced automobiles for other manufacturers around the world.[/Quote']

We need to understand the word diffrence between Engineered and Produced.Suzuki only produced cars(Which are engineered by Daewoo).Although Suzuki has also given some of it's designs to Gm(Opel Agila=Suzuki Splash/

Ritz)Both Agila and Ritz are sold side by side in Europe,which are manufactured at Suzuki's plant.

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