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Who will start the 1.2 Turbo Petrol Saga in India

Who will start the 1.2 Turbo Petrol Saga in India  

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  1. 1. Who will start the 1.2 Turbo Petrol Saga in India

    • Fiat
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    • VW
      6
    • Honda
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    • Suzuki
      0
    • Hyundai
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    • GM
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With the govt norm of 1.2 Petrol, today most of Premium Hatches are Sluggish.

With the doubt on Diesel price shooting up, the Petrol Premium hatches will the next big thing in our market. To address this issue, Auto makers have to bring in 1.2 Turbo petrol engines, which will be cheap(compared to 1.2+ motors), FE, Powerful & lighter.

 

VW, in spite of having a wonderful 1.2TSI with 102 & 85bhp, brought in the 3 potter 1.2 & planning to bring 1.6L petrol, with one engine being coarse& sluggish and other going to cost the roof.

 

Fiat, on the other hand, going to bring 1.4TJet. Will this engine be of any use barring few Auto enthus? A 1.2Tjet would make the Punto Cheap/ Powerful/ FE and would bring a good competitor to Swift/ i20/Polo.

 

Suzuki, althought the existing swift is powerful, most of us expect the 1.6 Sport version. So MSIL could bring in a 1.2 TP and plonk in Swift/ Ritz/ SX4 and R3

 

IMHO, this will be the next war in our Auto Industry, who ever addresses it first, will gain better.

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Considering the history of Skoda in India with Turbos and the fact that VW already has a 1.2TSi on offer with the Polo in many countries, the chances are it is the most probable contender. But, with the 1.6L almost certain to make it to the Polo, the chances are very less.

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IMO, I've got the feeling that Fiat will do this for the 1st time to Expand & Enrich its product range here & by doing so they'll Set the 'Cat amongst the Piegons' in the Performance Arena.

But Fiat, Quality Improvement is must before Adding the High-Tech bits, as Technology & Power w/o Reliabilty is really of No-Use.

 

But If we take the Case Overall except Hatchbacks, then Skoda might launch it 1st here, in their upcoming New Octavia/Fabia Sedan(=VW Polo/Vento based).
dr_nishu2010-07-04 21:08:49

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Well firstly lets decide why manfacturers inspite of having turbo charged engine aren't bring to India .

1. Turbocharging requires feeding excess air into cylinder therefore compression ratio increases and the need to better octane value in needed

2. Car like skoda and VW with 1.8lt TSi engine are here and have been tuned for Indian fuel but they still run better on premium fuel , if manufacturers get the turbo charging in mega market segment of hatches and they don't get good fuel quality then the engine can be damaged and the repair cost will be high and people will think they have an expensive ASS.

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Me thinks, VW or Skoda would be the first to get the 1.2 turbo petrol. The octavia rider is one hell of a machine!! If they get it into the Polo and the Fabia, I'm sure it'll sell in decent numbers. Only hitch here is the cost of the cars that Skoda / VW quote. Its way up the price bracket of its competition. Also, its the ASS that would matter.

Taking into consideration all these factors, neither does the FIAT look good into this foray of petrol turbos. Its ASS is really taken a hit But - its collaboration with TATA can give it an upper hand into the competition.

That would also mean the Indica Vista coming with the 1.2 turbo petrol, selling alongside the Safire engine. Tata would have it anyway smiley36.gif

As for MSIL coming in with turbo petrols, I'd rather want them to improve on their build quality rather than get faster engines. A sturdy suzuki would sell in great numbers smiley1.gif

Hyundai is busy giving an ugly facelift to its existing models, so a turbo petrol from them is really not expected.

Anyone thinks of Chevrolet??

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I guess the Yeti could get a 1.2Tsi later on in its life. Else, I predict the nearest ones are VW and Nissan. The Supercharged Micra will be exported to Europe, why not sell limited edition Sports version in India?

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The Turbo is just a extended pump kind of thing attached externally right? So can Fiat fit the 1.4 TJet's Turbo in its 1.2 Fire engine. This won't cost a bomb, but atleast give new life to Petrol Punto.

 

My Engine Wish list on a Punto are Punto 1.2(For just economy buyers), 1.2Tjet(Avg Buyers), 1.4TJet(Enthus), MJD(Diesel economic buyers), MJD VGT(Avg/ Enthu Diesel buyers)

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Mere Fitting of Turbocharger isn't the Only Single Coversion reqired to Convert a Naturally Aspirated engine into a Turbocharged one, especially the Petrol one. Other necessary changes required alongwith adding Turbocharger are:

-Better Breathing Appratus to feed the Turbo.

-Better quality & Heavy-Duty Engine Block & Crankshaft to Handle the Extra Compression & Power thus generated.

-Heavy-Duty Gearbox & Axle parts to handle & transmit the raised power to the wheels.

-Other small changes includes Better Engine Cooling appratus(like water pump, etc) & other Electricals, etc.

All these changes makes Huge Cost differences between the NA & Turbo engines.

 

&bala,

your wishlist of Fiat range can blast the Fiat India itself even if the T-Jet is fully localised here, as their expected prices of their Base spec versions will be:

Punto 1.2 -4.5 lacs(just the Present One).

Punto 1.2 T-Jet -5.6-6.0 lacs.

Punto 1.4 T-Jet -6.0-6.4 lacs.

Also, as per rssh above said, Fuel Quality again leaves the Question Mark for their Suitability & Reliability ??

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1-Better Breathing Appratus to feed the Turbo.

2-Better quality & Heavy-Duty Engine Block & Crankshaft to Handle the Extra Compression & Power thus generated.

3-Heavy-Duty Gearbox & Axle parts to handle & transmit the raised power to the wheels.

4-Other small changes includes Better Engine Cooling appratus(like water pump' date=' etc) & other Electricals, etc.

 

All these changes makes Huge Cost differences between the NA & Turbo engines.[/quote']

Can't Point 1, 3 & 4 be shared between 1.4Tjet & 1.2Tjet? So Fiat only needs to design point no 2. i.e., Better quality & Heavy-Duty Engine Block & Crankshaft to Handle the Extra Compression & Power thus generated for a 1.2 engine

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Yes bala,

But that's only if they're having not that much Power difference in between those 1.2 & 1.4 T-jet engines.

But expect atleast Rs.1-lakh difference between the NA & Turbo petrols, if they're almost fully localised here.

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I put forward this question 3yrs before and today FIAT has done it.

It has priced a super-spec Linea TJet at 7.6L. So expect Punto TJet to be the first moderately priced Turbo petrol.

If Fiat can design a TJet on its 1.2 engine, it can price the Punto very competitively and yet use the same engine in base Linea and price it too low.

All its upcoming Mini SUV, Jeep's mini-SUV, upcoming Punto and many other cars can make use of the 1.2L Tjet and save substantially.

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i think FIAT would be the first to put in 1.2 Turbo Petrol for two reason

  1. To revive sales of Punto hatch which is going to get new clothings soon
  2. Recently, VW has done this, and now we may see that FIAT may do this charisma to attract buyers from VW.

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1.2 T-jet Petrol in FIAT India stable still seems to be a distant dream, as far as their engine portfolio is considered, IMHO.

If Fiat can design a TJet on its 1.2 engine, it can price the Punto very competitively and yet use the same engine in base Linea and price it too low.

Do you think puny 1.2 T-jet can lug huge & heavy Linea sedan !

Again it'll be a 1.3 VGT Multijet like situation in it, which is always criticized for its low power for such a heavy car.

Linea needs much more than hatchback based engines to make a considerable impact.

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Ford may just beat the competition with the Ecoboost engine. If a smaller engine can deliver better mileage and still as much bhp/torque as the 1500cc+ engines, it is a huge advantage.

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