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Hatchback blues, now SEDAN CLUES (pg10)

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@nishu

Saw your concerns in the Dzire thread. While I sympathise with you, I feel that there isn't anybody at fault here. Maruti is paying more taxes for the car it as manufactured in this financial year and so are every other manufacturer. Also there is always first revision from the introductory prices. I don't know how corruption came into being there.

I would suggest that you continue with Swift buy, or if you want to wait a month take Ritz which would be priced more attractively. From your decision to chose Swift, I am guessing you chose the car as an enthusiast and not practically, which is good cos then you will not regret buying the car, and will enjoy it to the fullest and I don't think you should let go of that.

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@dr_nishu

 

smiley17.gif  , if you look back i have been asking you to BURRY the hatch and buy a 3 boxer ,coz you seem to like space.

 

Consider revision of thread name, now that you have left the Swift / Swift Dzire and have decided to go for a bigger car ,it could be SEDAN CLUES  its better than BLUES.smiley2.gif

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I feel that there isn't anybody at fault here. Maruti is paying more taxes for the car it as manufactured in this financial year and so are every other manufacturer. Also there is always first revision from the introductory prices. I don't know how corruption came into being there.


As everybody here knows that any car with a Huge waiting period(Swift' date=' Dzire, Innova, Fortuner, etc) also sells through another Route i.e Indian-ishtyle route i.e by paying a Premium over its On-Road price, be it a Cash Premium or Compulsory Accessories.
In my case, like I've waited for my car for nearly an year, which Included 2 price revisions or 30-40k price Increments which roughly equals to the Initial Premium required to get the car withing 24hrs.
So, Ultimately at the end, I'll be paying the same Premium amount as Price Increments after waiting for a car for nearly an year.
So, why did I waitied for ??
To make a everyday phone call to the dealer or hunting various option to ensure early delivery.
Definitely pathetic it is..
IMHO, Its better to buy it(Maruti Diesel car) at Instant by Paying premium, rather than taking pains & ending up by paying the same amount.
Isn't its Ultimately promoting Corruption. smiley22.gif

And instead of Rewarding the Loyal customer who's waiting for their product from last 1 year by offering better deal or freebies or else, like Volkswagen(offers the car at same price prevailing at the Booking time) or Mahindra did(Part-Increment like in case of XUV500) for already booked customers. Maruti is leaving no stone unturned to exploit the already taken for granted hooked customers.

Definitely, Its the too much exploitation of Monopolistic situation.


I would suggest that you continue with Swift buy, or if you want to wait a month take Ritz which would be priced more attractively. From your decision to chose Swift, I am guessing you chose the car as an enthusiast and not practically, which is good cos then you will not regret buying the car, and will enjoy it to the fullest and I don't think you should let go of that


Sorry bro.
Swift is a lost story now, as;
-Thanks to too common both New & Old Swift.
-Claustrophobic Charcoal-black Interiors.
-Impractical boot space.
Last but not the least, My/Our usage will be of shared type i.e both Me & My dad is going to use the car. Plus i see no less enthu-appeal in Dzire over Swift, where the Notch of a boot equals the Gorgeous Swift rear styling.
Plus its going to be our Highway car.
For City we're already having Alto LXi.

Consider revision of thread name' date=' now that you have left the Swift / Swift Dzire and have decided to go for a bigger car ,it could be SEDAN CLUES  its better than BLUES.smiley2.gif
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Good Idea.
Thanks for the Suggestion.

Mods, Please change this thread name to SEDAN CLUES.

 

Thread title edited.
BornFree2012-05-09 16:00:52

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@Nishu: How about the Ertiga? I like the raised driving position and the great GC at 185mm and choice of diesel and petrol and also the space and boot on offer would be a good highway car and also practical.

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Somehow or the other, the DZire fails to impress me, so no further comment on this.

But I can suggest you other choices in this budget as many others do.

1. Sunny, a caaaaaaaaaaar for cr price.

2. R-tiga , words cant describe this.

Another worthy contender if you trust Tata, ya you guessed it right.

Its spacious, comfortable, feature rich, FE, powerful( 90PS ),...

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Actually DZire strikes the prefect blend for external Size, Internal Space, Performance, features as per our needs.

Plus its intermediate pricing falls in our budget range too, which is just an extension over Swift ZDi pricing.

So, DZire is on the top of the consideration list.

While,

Nissan Sunny is too large for our daily usage & parking a 4.5m long car would be a problem for us daily.

And that's the sole reason that I'm shying away from Sunny Diesel, else spending a 50k more to get a CAAAAAAR with acres of space isn't much a matter of concern.

Else, If anyhow I buy a Sunny, I've hunt for another Parking space far away from my home.

Ertiga: Is no doubt a perfect car but both me & my dad are Interested in buying UV-type car.

It has to be either a Hatchback or a Sedan.

I guess, I've to remain satisfied with DZire ZDi, Only what I can do now is to yell about Maruti Suzuki for Indefinite delay & Diplomatic price rises.

Still what'd you say guys ??

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Sorry bro. Swift is a lost story now' date=' as; -Thanks to too common both New & Old Swift. -Claustrophobic Charcoal-black Interiors. -Impractical boot space. Last but not the least, My/Our usage will be of shared type i.e both Me & My dad is going to use the car. Plus i see no less enthu-appeal in Dzire over Swift, where the Notch of a boot equals the Gorgeous Swift rear styling. Plus its going to be our Highway car. For City we're already having Alto LXi.[/quote']

@nishu

I suggest you take a thorough test drive of Ertiga, it gives you feeling of anything but a UV. You feel its like a grown up hatchback or a sedan. And a very good highway car at that.

If you don't want Dzire or Ertiga or Sunny, but want a highway car, I don't think you have any diesel vehicle who are better in this than the above. The only other great cars in this is City and Jazz and both are unfortunately petrol or the Vento and Rapid with whom there will be maintenance concerns.

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So, finally further leaped onto the confusion & have roped in few more options i.e Toyota ETIOS V-D(2nd to last variant) & Upcoming facelifted Mahindra VERITO.

& My analysis about them is as;

TOYOTA ETIOS V-D:

Favours:

-Refined & very much Silent Engine, Transmission.

-Refined Drive, including Suspension & Braking bits.

-More fuel efficient(Real time 25kmpl viz 22 kmpl of Swift/DZire).

-Superior Engineering on Technical bits.

-Better Space & Ride Comfort.

-Better Boot & Full-fledged Sedan.

Dislikes:

-Average Interiors(as we Indians are got used to of it now).

-OTR cost of 8.30 lacs, which is a bit closer to other Sedans like Nissan Sunny, fluidic Verna, etc.

-Unknown future Re-Sale value.

Upcoming Mahindra VERITO Diesel

Local Mahindra dealer, told me that its coming in upcoming 1-2 months, so waiting further isn't a big deal for me.

Favours:

-Robust engine & more fuel efficient engine.(Real time 25kmpl viz 22 kmpl of Swift/DZire).

-Refined Drive, including Suspension & Braking bits.

-Robust & more Solid build.

-Better Space & Ride Comfort.

-Better Boot & Full-fledged Sedan.

-Promising more palatable looks on its upcoming variant.

Dislikes:

-Still unsure about its exact launch date.

-Interior fit-finishing would be a Deal-maker or breaker in case of it.

Maruti DZire ZDi:

Favours:

-Proven Product.

-Excellent Re-sale value.

-Good Interiors.

Dislikes/doubts:

-Still doubtful about its Side Rear Quarter looks.

-Rivals are more fuel efficient now(ETIOS, Verito).

-Expensive Service Costs.(5-6k/10,000kms), whereas its rivals costs almost 1/2 or 1/3 of it.

-Too expensive for CS Sedan with Tiny-ish Boot.

-OTR Pricing of Rs.8.20 lacs is too much into full-fledged Sedan territory & is just 10-15k shade of ETIOS V-D variant.

-Suspension still Immature as compared to Toyota, Nissan & Renault/Mahindra.

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I suggest you take a thorough test drive of Ertiga' date=' it gives you feeling of anything but a UV. You feel its like a grown up hatchback or a sedan. And a very good highway car at that.

[/quote']

I've extensively Test Driven Ertiga, but more or less one can't get rid of the fact of driving a People mover than a Personal car while driving it & one feels like a Driver while driving it rather than being an owner of the car.

Frankly speaking, I've Test Driven that car with my Shirt Cuffs raised up. smiley36.gif

So speaking precisely Me & my Dad both are looking for a Gentleman commute, which has to be either a Hatchback(now ruled out) or Sedan or Mini/5-seater SUV(like Upcoming Renault Duster, Ford EcoSport).

Hope you're getting my point or what I'm trying to say !

I'm keen on Renault Duster though,

what's your take on it ??

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I would say at this price point the Sunny is the best bet ,but since you have parking trouble then the next best car will be the Etios . This the a proper 3 box car because the boot space is much better than the hatch version (unlike DZire) and it is well proportioned . Just after delivery put michlein tyres XM2 and extra padded seat covers and you can live with it easily ,also with the new colour combo the interiors don't looks that cheap.

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Duster looks like an extremely capable vehicle but Renault will need to price it very sensibly unlike what they did with Pulse. Their badge does not command any premium over Nissan and they need to know that. Infact Nissan may have the ability to extract because of its long existence in premium market with Teana and X-Trail and they much known 350Z and GT-R in the house.

Of the three you have mentioned, Dzire takes the cake in overall refinement and houses the national engine. I can't testify your FE figures, but with the resale value Dzire will retain and the fun to dive factor it has, my favourite here is Dzire.

Verito has the taxi image and your resale will suffer massively because of it. Infact a better car to wait may be Chevrolet Sail

Etios would be a good choice but I have never been able to digest the dashboard styling. Have heard 2012 version has improved quality a bit, so that is a plus.

But since you are against Dzire now, I would recommend go for the Nissan Sunny. It has proven successful, so good resale, Japs have never been poor with regards to maintenance and Micra stories prove that Nissan is no exception, great engine, great space and decent interiors.

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@nishu

Ertiga is a very good option considering the price and options it offers. However, since you have ruled out a UV so in sedan i would suggest Sunny/Etios.

Both are very good cars, Sunny has an overall big car feel while Etios to me is the better engineered one. From maintenance point of view i can't comment on Sunny but for Etios it's quite good. I have an Etios (P) for last 1.25 yrs and 2nd service at 10k kms cost was Rs 1300. Next would be in 2013.

Regarding Duster, although it looks like to be a good mini Suv but i have apprehension on it's pricing considering how they priced Pulse.

Ford Eco Sport could be another option but it's slated for launch only at start of next year and also pricing is again a key issue there.

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Seeing the change of events, I would recommend the Etios. Its "sedan" part fares better than Dzire, if that's what we are looking for. Interiors are spacious, build quality strong, dynamics are par for the course. What's lacking is interior & exterior design, features. If one can live with these, this car should turn out to be a worthy buy.

No votes from me to Chevy. Sail. Duster most probably will be priced higher & we would have to wait & see how it fares.BornFree2012-05-14 05:02:27

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@Nishu: Looking at your response on how MSIL delears are delaying your new vehicle....why cant you settle down with Ritz Vdi ABS? The only thing which I guess it is lacking compare to Swift would be AirBags and may be Auto Aircon as well (feature wise I am not sure enough).

What about Vista Zx and Manza Zx (both diesel)?

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Is it just  because of its Chinese connection

 

No not the least. None of the Chevys. till date have impressed me to a level that I would buy them. Therefore Sail will have to prove otherwise & that shall take time, that is if at all!

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There is nothing upmarket about the Sunny , Etios , Manza and Verito , these are not aspirational cars by any stretch, so its better to steer clear of them.

With Chevrolet , they sell initially but then something somewhere goes wrong and they all die a slow death , this is reasonably true with there below 10L , its as if the Murphy Laws would apply to them always.

Dzire is the only good looker and a great product from its manufacturer , i guess you are making a strong case for buying the Dzire,

 

 
while driving it & one feels like a Driver while driving it rather than being an owner of the car.
smiley36.gif 

 

i havent come across such a version but totally agree with you , these TAXI segment people movers big vehicles make their owners seem small, while driving alone

 

I always like a newer car but with Renault its a bit dicey , they dont believe in telling anything about upcoming models ,  i dont trust their delivery , they just dont create a hype around there cars , no fancy ads, no teasers, no nothing  and then they expect their cars to sell,

 

If it was just about to be launched ,atleast they could have started pre launch bookings or something that tells people to wait before buying their next car, as they are coming up with something new but then its the SEDATE RENAULT group ,may they will wake up on the day of the launch to tell people , even if it comes , i would suggest you to take a long long look at it for an year and then jump into their product.

 

Ecosport looks great but then only its indian specs will tell you the whole story .Also FORD seem fickle minded when it comes to its size , toggling between below 4 mtrs and above 4 mtrs , last that i heard was below 4 mtrs .

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Thanks for the replies, ACI-ians.

Verito has the taxi image and your resale will suffer massively because of it. Infact a better car to wait may be Chevrolet Sail

SAIL is expected by July2012 & that's too in Petrol & hatchback avatar first.

1.3 Multijet Dieseled one is expected by Dec12' date=' as per Chevy sources. So, all in all it'll add to an another year of wait. smiley21.gif

But Liked your very much transparent reply.

.... gets 3 yrs promise.

Sorry bala.

No maintenance Promise/programe available for any Diesel Chevy, yet.

..why cant you settle down with Ritz Vdi ABS?

What about Vista Zx and Manza Zx (both diesel)?

Ritz is not even in consideration' date=' as;

-1stly, Our Drive is mostly a Highway one, so preferred is the low heighted car & now choices are specified to Sedans only.

-Nobody in our family like its Rear styling.

No likes for TATA though, thanks to their Average fit-finish & Not so refined products.

Therefore Sail will have to prove otherwise & that shall take time, that is if at all!

Same feelings. smiley1.gif

Atleast won't like to take the chance for atleast first 4-6 months.

Dzire is the only good looker and a great product from its manufacturer ' date=' i guess you are making a strong case for buying the Dzire,[/quote']

I'm confused here !!

Not only about my purchase, but About how I should Interpret your post.

But still I want to say that Internet surfing is relatively much cheaper than spending my hard earned ~9 lacs & regretting later.

I guess everybody here is doing the same.dr_nishu2012-05-14 20:19:45

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hmm...Sunny has parking issues, Dezire has waiting issues, Etios has issue of uncertainty so I guess wait and watch out for New Verito and buy the topend version as it come into market.


I know it is very difficult to get a car in right price with right blend of features and aspirations. You are absolutely right in checking all possible options before spending money.

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I know it is very difficult to get a car in right price with right blend of features and aspirations. You are absolutely right in checking all possible options before spending money.

Spot on.. smiley32.gif

Infact I'm missing the 'Like' option to your post here.

To me Aspirations matter the most, then pricing details & then features.

Rs.8.20 lacs for tiny Sedan is too much, I guess which Ultimately cross Rs.9 lacs with Interest, etc included.

Presently, I see more votes for ETIOS than DZire, but still ETIOS is a notch short on Aspirations front.

But the latter can't be ruled out completely, thanks to Toyota badge & Refined Drive & Its V-D variant which I'm considering is pretty much loaded too.

New Verito top-end would be an Interesting to watch out.

Thanks.

dr_nishu2012-05-15 09:30:30

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Had an exhaustive discussion & debate about the same topic with all of our family members.

And surprisingly we failed to arrive at some other option, thanks to the pros & cons, which we've discussed above.

Reasons for ETIOS rejection were:

-Bland theme.

-Overall Product appeal.

-Interiors.

Mahindra VERITO dis-favoured because:

-Dad wanted International branded product with Good re-sale product.

-Sister & Mom didn't liked its current styling & bland Interiors.

And Ultimately the Conclusion remained the same i.e Maruti Suzuki Swift DZire ZDi.

Oops guys !!

I forgot to share that, last week I got the call from Maruti dealer that my DZire ZDi gonna arrive in a day or 2.

But sadly, due to some reasons we got the need to postpone our buying date.

Expecting to get the delivery by end of this month or early next month.

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Had an exhaustive discussion & debate about the same topic with all of our family members.
And surprisingly we failed to arrive at some other option' date=' thanks to the pros & cons, which we've discussed above.
Reasons for ETIOS rejection were:
-Bland theme.
-Overall Product appeal.
-Interiors.

Mahindra VERITO dis-favoured because:
-Dad wanted International branded product with Good re-sale product.
-Sister & Mom didn't liked its current styling & bland Interiors.

And Ultimately the Conclusion remained the same i.e Maruti Suzuki Swift DZire ZDi.


Oops guys !!
I forgot to share that, last week I got the call from Maruti dealer that my DZire ZDi gonna arrive in a day or 2.
But sadly, due to some reasons we got the need to postpone our buying date.
Expecting to get the delivery by end of this month or early next month.[/quote']

 

I always knew there was a strong case for a DZIRE , when pitched against those uglies.

 

Hoping this is FINAL or will you engage us for a second round of debates

 

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